Re: Frustrated with Font issues

Re: Frustrated with Font issues

[Pascal J. Bourguignon]

Jai Dayal <dayalsoap@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi,
>
>  I am using RHEL 6.5 and am running emacs 24.3 with a GUI. The fonts look
> absolutely horrible, and the fonts that I have available via set-frame-font
> are atrocious as well. I have asked in several places about this issue, and
> I'm always blown off and told "blahh set something something in
> .Xresources", but nothing ever specific.
>
> People have said that it's an issue with X11, but I'm not convinced; every
> other GUI application has normal looking fonts. Even the GUI version of Vim
> has normal fonts; how can it be an X server or RHEL problem when every
> other application has a sufficient set of fonts to use? This is clearly an
> Emacs problem at this point.
>
> If I use emacs in the terminal without X the fonts look fine. My terminal
> says the font is "Monospace 10", and if I do C-u C-x = I get
> display: terminal code #x3B
>
> When I do C-u C-x = with GUI emacs, I get:
> -adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--14-100-100-100-m-90-iso10646-1
>
> Which is a font made available when I do M-x set-frame-font
>
> Is there not a way to allow Emacs to use the same set of fonts that every
> other X11 application uses? How can it be that Emacs fonts suck when other
> applications have normal fonts?

When you use set-frame-font, you can use the exact same fonts as other
applications.  This is what I do, to select the exact fonts I want to
use. Currently (frame-font) --> 
"-unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-13-*-*-*-m-0-iso10646-1"

(frame-font is from https://gitorious.org/com-informatimago/emacs/source/pjb-xresources.el)


When you use M-x menu-set-font RET you get a font menu with pre-selected
font families. There's a way to configure this menu with your own font
families, but it seems to have changed in emacs 24, so I'm not sure how
to do it anymore.


Have a look at: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/SetFonts




-- 
__Pascal Bourguignon__
http://www.informatimago.com/
"Le mercure monte ?  C'est le moment d'acheter !"

Re: Frustrated with Font issues

[Jai Dayal]

With set-frame-font, it doesn't have the same font set as other
applications, though! That's the problem! They're not the same, at all.




On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Pascal J. Bourguignon <
pjb@informatimago.com> wrote:

> Jai Dayal <dayalsoap@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> >  I am using RHEL 6.5 and am running emacs 24.3 with a GUI. The fonts look
> > absolutely horrible, and the fonts that I have available via
> set-frame-font
> > are atrocious as well. I have asked in several places about this issue,
> and
> > I'm always blown off and told "blahh set something something in
> > .Xresources", but nothing ever specific.
> >
> > People have said that it's an issue with X11, but I'm not convinced;
> every
> > other GUI application has normal looking fonts. Even the GUI version of
> Vim
> > has normal fonts; how can it be an X server or RHEL problem when every
> > other application has a sufficient set of fonts to use? This is clearly
> an
> > Emacs problem at this point.
> >
> > If I use emacs in the terminal without X the fonts look fine. My terminal
> > says the font is "Monospace 10", and if I do C-u C-x = I get
> > display: terminal code #x3B
> >
> > When I do C-u C-x = with GUI emacs, I get:
> > -adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--14-100-100-100-m-90-iso10646-1
> >
> > Which is a font made available when I do M-x set-frame-font
> >
> > Is there not a way to allow Emacs to use the same set of fonts that every
> > other X11 application uses? How can it be that Emacs fonts suck when
> other
> > applications have normal fonts?
>
> When you use set-frame-font, you can use the exact same fonts as other
> applications.  This is what I do, to select the exact fonts I want to
> use. Currently (frame-font) -->
> "-unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-13-*-*-*-m-0-iso10646-1"
>
> (frame-font is from
> https://gitorious.org/com-informatimago/emacs/source/pjb-xresources.el)
>
>
> When you use M-x menu-set-font RET you get a font menu with pre-selected
> font families. There's a way to configure this menu with your own font
> families, but it seems to have changed in emacs 24, so I'm not sure how
> to do it anymore.
>
>
> Have a look at: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/SetFonts
>
>
>
>
> --
> __Pascal Bourguignon__
> http://www.informatimago.com/
> "Le mercure monte ?  C'est le moment d'acheter !"
>

Re: Frustrated with Font issues

[Jacob Gerlach]

I'm not sure what you mean by "have the same font set," particularly in
response to Pascal's comments re: the difference between set-frame-font and
M-x menu-set-font

I have the following in my .emacs:
(set-frame-font "Ubuntu Mono-13")

I can put any font on my system in place of Ubuntu Mono, be it monospaced,
variable pitch, or some nonsense like "Symbol". There is no "set" to choose
from.

Are you perhaps trying to say that a given font looks different in emacs
compared to how it looks in other applications?




On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Jai Dayal <dayalsoap@gmail.com> wrote:

> With set-frame-font, it doesn't have the same font set as other
> applications, though! That's the problem! They're not the same, at all.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Pascal J. Bourguignon <
> pjb@informatimago.com> wrote:
>
> > Jai Dayal <dayalsoap@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > >  I am using RHEL 6.5 and am running emacs 24.3 with a GUI. The fonts
> look
> > > absolutely horrible, and the fonts that I have available via
> > set-frame-font
> > > are atrocious as well. I have asked in several places about this issue,
> > and
> > > I'm always blown off and told "blahh set something something in
> > > .Xresources", but nothing ever specific.
> > >
> > > People have said that it's an issue with X11, but I'm not convinced;
> > every
> > > other GUI application has normal looking fonts. Even the GUI version of
> > Vim
> > > has normal fonts; how can it be an X server or RHEL problem when every
> > > other application has a sufficient set of fonts to use? This is clearly
> > an
> > > Emacs problem at this point.
> > >
> > > If I use emacs in the terminal without X the fonts look fine. My
> terminal
> > > says the font is "Monospace 10", and if I do C-u C-x = I get
> > > display: terminal code #x3B
> > >
> > > When I do C-u C-x = with GUI emacs, I get:
> > > -adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--14-100-100-100-m-90-iso10646-1
> > >
> > > Which is a font made available when I do M-x set-frame-font
> > >
> > > Is there not a way to allow Emacs to use the same set of fonts that
> every
> > > other X11 application uses? How can it be that Emacs fonts suck when
> > other
> > > applications have normal fonts?
> >
> > When you use set-frame-font, you can use the exact same fonts as other
> > applications.  This is what I do, to select the exact fonts I want to
> > use. Currently (frame-font) -->
> > "-unknown-DejaVu Sans
> Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-13-*-*-*-m-0-iso10646-1"
> >
> > (frame-font is from
> > https://gitorious.org/com-informatimago/emacs/source/pjb-xresources.el)
> >
> >
> > When you use M-x menu-set-font RET you get a font menu with pre-selected
> > font families. There's a way to configure this menu with your own font
> > families, but it seems to have changed in emacs 24, so I'm not sure how
> > to do it anymore.
> >
> >
> > Have a look at: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/SetFonts
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > __Pascal Bourguignon__
> > http://www.informatimago.com/
> > "Le mercure monte ?  C'est le moment d'acheter !"
> >
>

Re: Frustrated with Font issues

[Jai Dayal]

No, I'm simply saying that the fonts available in other applications are
not available with emacs. If I make it Monospace-10, emacs then actually
changes the font.. I can see the fonts change, but they don't look like
monospace-10 at all. instead, if I do C-u C-x = I get
 x:-misc-fixed-bold-r-normal--13-120-75-75-c-70-iso8859-1 (#x3B)

Which is not monospace 10 at all. So either Emacs isn't understanding
Monospace-10 (when every other application is), or it's displaying
Monospace 10 completely differently from every application.

I've also installed a whole bunch of font sets and updated my font-cache
and other applications can see these new fonts, but with emacs, the fonts
available through set-frame-font are the same as they were before. Emacs is
indeed using a different set of fonts than every other application known to
man.


On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Jacob Gerlach <jacobgerlach@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'm not sure what you mean by "have the same font set," particularly in
> response to Pascal's comments re: the difference between set-frame-font and
> M-x menu-set-font
>
> I have the following in my .emacs:
> (set-frame-font "Ubuntu Mono-13")
>
> I can put any font on my system in place of Ubuntu Mono, be it monospaced,
> variable pitch, or some nonsense like "Symbol". There is no "set" to choose
> from.
>
> Are you perhaps trying to say that a given font looks different in emacs
> compared to how it looks in other applications?
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Jai Dayal <dayalsoap@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> With set-frame-font, it doesn't have the same font set as other
>> applications, though! That's the problem! They're not the same, at all.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Pascal J. Bourguignon <
>> pjb@informatimago.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Jai Dayal <dayalsoap@gmail.com> writes:
>> >
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > >  I am using RHEL 6.5 and am running emacs 24.3 with a GUI. The fonts
>> look
>> > > absolutely horrible, and the fonts that I have available via
>> > set-frame-font
>> > > are atrocious as well. I have asked in several places about this
>> issue,
>> > and
>> > > I'm always blown off and told "blahh set something something in
>> > > .Xresources", but nothing ever specific.
>> > >
>> > > People have said that it's an issue with X11, but I'm not convinced;
>> > every
>> > > other GUI application has normal looking fonts. Even the GUI version
>> of
>> > Vim
>> > > has normal fonts; how can it be an X server or RHEL problem when every
>> > > other application has a sufficient set of fonts to use? This is
>> clearly
>> > an
>> > > Emacs problem at this point.
>> > >
>> > > If I use emacs in the terminal without X the fonts look fine. My
>> terminal
>> > > says the font is "Monospace 10", and if I do C-u C-x = I get
>> > > display: terminal code #x3B
>> > >
>> > > When I do C-u C-x = with GUI emacs, I get:
>> > > -adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--14-100-100-100-m-90-iso10646-1
>> > >
>> > > Which is a font made available when I do M-x set-frame-font
>> > >
>> > > Is there not a way to allow Emacs to use the same set of fonts that
>> every
>> > > other X11 application uses? How can it be that Emacs fonts suck when
>> > other
>> > > applications have normal fonts?
>> >
>> > When you use set-frame-font, you can use the exact same fonts as other
>> > applications.  This is what I do, to select the exact fonts I want to
>> > use. Currently (frame-font) -->
>> > "-unknown-DejaVu Sans
>> Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-13-*-*-*-m-0-iso10646-1"
>> >
>> > (frame-font is from
>> > https://gitorious.org/com-informatimago/emacs/source/pjb-xresources.el)
>> >
>> >
>> > When you use M-x menu-set-font RET you get a font menu with pre-selected
>> > font families. There's a way to configure this menu with your own font
>> > families, but it seems to have changed in emacs 24, so I'm not sure how
>> > to do it anymore.
>> >
>> >
>> > Have a look at: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/SetFonts
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > __Pascal Bourguignon__
>> > http://www.informatimago.com/
>> > "Le mercure monte ?  C'est le moment d'acheter !"
>> >
>>
>
>

Re: Frustrated with Font issues

[Jai Dayal]

Also, I know the problem is on Emacs' end because the sizes available are
completely idiotic. 11, 14, 17, 23.... I mean really.. every other
application can do every integer between 6 and 34, but Emacs can only go in
some dumb number of font-size increments?


On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Jai Dayal <dayalsoap@gmail.com> wrote:

> No, I'm simply saying that the fonts available in other applications are
> not available with emacs. If I make it Monospace-10, emacs then actually
> changes the font.. I can see the fonts change, but they don't look like
> monospace-10 at all. instead, if I do C-u C-x = I get
>  x:-misc-fixed-bold-r-normal--13-120-75-75-c-70-iso8859-1 (#x3B)
>
> Which is not monospace 10 at all. So either Emacs isn't understanding
> Monospace-10 (when every other application is), or it's displaying
> Monospace 10 completely differently from every application.
>
> I've also installed a whole bunch of font sets and updated my font-cache
> and other applications can see these new fonts, but with emacs, the fonts
> available through set-frame-font are the same as they were before. Emacs is
> indeed using a different set of fonts than every other application known to
> man.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Jacob Gerlach <jacobgerlach@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure what you mean by "have the same font set," particularly in
>> response to Pascal's comments re: the difference between set-frame-font and
>> M-x menu-set-font
>>
>> I have the following in my .emacs:
>> (set-frame-font "Ubuntu Mono-13")
>>
>> I can put any font on my system in place of Ubuntu Mono, be it
>> monospaced, variable pitch, or some nonsense like "Symbol". There is no
>> "set" to choose from.
>>
>> Are you perhaps trying to say that a given font looks different in emacs
>> compared to how it looks in other applications?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Jai Dayal <dayalsoap@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> With set-frame-font, it doesn't have the same font set as other
>>> applications, though! That's the problem! They're not the same, at all.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Pascal J. Bourguignon <
>>> pjb@informatimago.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Jai Dayal <dayalsoap@gmail.com> writes:
>>> >
>>> > > Hi,
>>> > >
>>> > >  I am using RHEL 6.5 and am running emacs 24.3 with a GUI. The fonts
>>> look
>>> > > absolutely horrible, and the fonts that I have available via
>>> > set-frame-font
>>> > > are atrocious as well. I have asked in several places about this
>>> issue,
>>> > and
>>> > > I'm always blown off and told "blahh set something something in
>>> > > .Xresources", but nothing ever specific.
>>> > >
>>> > > People have said that it's an issue with X11, but I'm not convinced;
>>> > every
>>> > > other GUI application has normal looking fonts. Even the GUI version
>>> of
>>> > Vim
>>> > > has normal fonts; how can it be an X server or RHEL problem when
>>> every
>>> > > other application has a sufficient set of fonts to use? This is
>>> clearly
>>> > an
>>> > > Emacs problem at this point.
>>> > >
>>> > > If I use emacs in the terminal without X the fonts look fine. My
>>> terminal
>>> > > says the font is "Monospace 10", and if I do C-u C-x = I get
>>> > > display: terminal code #x3B
>>> > >
>>> > > When I do C-u C-x = with GUI emacs, I get:
>>> > > -adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--14-100-100-100-m-90-iso10646-1
>>> > >
>>> > > Which is a font made available when I do M-x set-frame-font
>>> > >
>>> > > Is there not a way to allow Emacs to use the same set of fonts that
>>> every
>>> > > other X11 application uses? How can it be that Emacs fonts suck when
>>> > other
>>> > > applications have normal fonts?
>>> >
>>> > When you use set-frame-font, you can use the exact same fonts as other
>>> > applications.  This is what I do, to select the exact fonts I want to
>>> > use. Currently (frame-font) -->
>>> > "-unknown-DejaVu Sans
>>> Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-13-*-*-*-m-0-iso10646-1"
>>> >
>>> > (frame-font is from
>>> > https://gitorious.org/com-informatimago/emacs/source/pjb-xresources.el
>>> )
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > When you use M-x menu-set-font RET you get a font menu with
>>> pre-selected
>>> > font families. There's a way to configure this menu with your own font
>>> > families, but it seems to have changed in emacs 24, so I'm not sure how
>>> > to do it anymore.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Have a look at: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/SetFonts
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > __Pascal Bourguignon__
>>> > http://www.informatimago.com/
>>> > "Le mercure monte ?  C'est le moment d'acheter !"
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: Frustrated with Font issues

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Jai Dayal <dayalsoap@gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 13:23:59 -0600
> Cc: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com>,
> 	help-gnu-emacs <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
> 
> Also, I know the problem is on Emacs' end because the sizes available are
> completely idiotic.

Strange logic: if it's idiotic, it must be Emacs's fault.

If you press Shift and click the left mouse button, then select
"Change buffer font" from the menu that pops up, do you get a font
selection dialog?  Do you see there every font you have on your
system, in every possible size?

Re: Frustrated with Font issues

[Jai Dayal]

There is no "change buffer font", there is a "change text font", but offers
no items from which I can select. There's "change default buffer face", but
again, offers me nothing,


On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:

> > From: Jai Dayal <dayalsoap@gmail.com>
> > Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 13:23:59 -0600
> > Cc: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com>,
> >       help-gnu-emacs <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
> >
> > Also, I know the problem is on Emacs' end because the sizes available are
> > completely idiotic.
>
> Strange logic: if it's idiotic, it must be Emacs's fault.
>
> If you press Shift and click the left mouse button, then select
> "Change buffer font" from the menu that pops up, do you get a font
> selection dialog?  Do you see there every font you have on your
> system, in every possible size?
>
>

Re: Frustrated with Font issues

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Jai Dayal <dayalsoap@gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 13:41:35 -0600
> Cc: help-gnu-emacs <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
> 
> There is no "change buffer font", there is a "change text font", but offers
> no items from which I can select. There's "change default buffer face", but
> again, offers me nothing,

What about Options->Set Default Font, does that pop up a font
selection dialog?

If not, what is the value of system-configuration and
system-configuration-options in your build?  Too many things don't
work for you like they should, so I'm beginning to wonder what kind of
build is that.

Re: Frustrated with Font issues

[Jai Dayal]

Yes, it pops up something. I see Misc, Courier, and Fontset.

When you ask for system-configuration-options, do you mean how I configured
autotools?

./configure --prefix=/home/jdayal --with-xpm=no --with-jpeg=no
--with-png=no --with-gif=no --with-tiff=no


On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:

> > From: Jai Dayal <dayalsoap@gmail.com>
> > Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 13:41:35 -0600
> > Cc: help-gnu-emacs <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
> >
> > There is no "change buffer font", there is a "change text font", but
> offers
> > no items from which I can select. There's "change default buffer face",
> but
> > again, offers me nothing,
>
> What about Options->Set Default Font, does that pop up a font
> selection dialog?
>
> If not, what is the value of system-configuration and
> system-configuration-options in your build?  Too many things don't
> work for you like they should, so I'm beginning to wonder what kind of
> build is that.
>
>

Re: Frustrated with Font issues

[Diep Pham]

On Thu, 5 Jun 2014 14:15:45 -0600
Jai Dayal <dayalsoap@gmail.com> wrote:

> ./configure --prefix=/home/jdayal --with-xpm=no --with-jpeg=no
> --with-png=no --with-gif=no --with-tiff=no
You should add --with-xft.

Re: Frustrated with Font issues

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 11:36:48 +0700
> From: Diep Pham <imeo@favadi.com>
> 
> On Thu, 5 Jun 2014 14:15:45 -0600
> Jai Dayal <dayalsoap@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > ./configure --prefix=/home/jdayal --with-xpm=no --with-jpeg=no
> > --with-png=no --with-gif=no --with-tiff=no
> You should add --with-xft.

Yes.  Also, try "emacs -Q" (if you didn't already), it's possible that
some system-specific init files are being loaded into Emacs behind
your back that give you this trouble.

Re: Frustrated with Font issues

[Jai Dayal]

Ding ding ding. You are the winner! --with-xft solved the problem and gave
me a full set of fonts. I can get the dejavu fonts and everything looks
pretty now. Much thanks.

Jai


On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 10:36 PM, Diep Pham <imeo@favadi.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 5 Jun 2014 14:15:45 -0600
> Jai Dayal <dayalsoap@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > ./configure --prefix=/home/jdayal --with-xpm=no --with-jpeg=no
> > --with-png=no --with-gif=no --with-tiff=no
> You should add --with-xft.
>
>

Re: Frustrated with Font issues

[Pascal J. Bourguignon]

Jai Dayal <dayalsoap@gmail.com> writes:

> With set-frame-font, it doesn't have the same font set as other
> applications, though! That's the problem! They're not the same, at all.

M-! xlsfonts RET should give you the font set, and it should be exactly
the same as for other applications.

The only difference may be that in application font dialogs, this list
of X fonts is collected by font family and other categories.


Reasons you may get a different list of fonts however are:

- you're using a different X server (improbable),

- the applications are using other fonts than X fonts.  For example, TeX
  will use metafonts.  Some GUI toolkit used by applications often use
  TrueType fonts (instead or in addition to X fonts).

There are some indications about using TrueType fonts in emacs in
http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/SetFonts#toc10
but I don't know what's the status of this feature in emacs 24.



-- 
__Pascal Bourguignon__
http://www.informatimago.com/
"Le mercure monte ?  C'est le moment d'acheter !"

Re: Frustrated with Font issues

[Jai Dayal]

Okay, this kind of makes sense to me. I'm just a bit puzzled why if I do it
on CentOS or RHEL, I only have this problem. If it's on Ubuntu or Fedora,
the fonts are displayed normally. Perhaps CentOS and RHEL do something
differently that Emacs doesn't pick up on.


On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Pascal J. Bourguignon <pjb@informatimago.com
> wrote:

> Jai Dayal <dayalsoap@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > With set-frame-font, it doesn't have the same font set as other
> > applications, though! That's the problem! They're not the same, at all.
>
> M-! xlsfonts RET should give you the font set, and it should be exactly
> the same as for other applications.
>
> The only difference may be that in application font dialogs, this list
> of X fonts is collected by font family and other categories.
>
>
> Reasons you may get a different list of fonts however are:
>
> - you're using a different X server (improbable),
>
> - the applications are using other fonts than X fonts.  For example, TeX
>   will use metafonts.  Some GUI toolkit used by applications often use
>   TrueType fonts (instead or in addition to X fonts).
>
> There are some indications about using TrueType fonts in emacs in
> http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/SetFonts#toc10
> but I don't know what's the status of this feature in emacs 24.
>
>
>
> --
> __Pascal Bourguignon__
> http://www.informatimago.com/
> "Le mercure monte ?  C'est le moment d'acheter !"
>

Re: Frustrated with Font issues

[Jai Dayal]

xlsfonts actually does indeed give a DIFFERENT set of fonts that Emacs
uses. Emacs actually only has a small subset of these fonts!

Jai


On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Jai Dayal <dayalsoap@gmail.com> wrote:

> Okay, this kind of makes sense to me. I'm just a bit puzzled why if I do
> it on CentOS or RHEL, I only have this problem. If it's on Ubuntu or
> Fedora, the fonts are displayed normally. Perhaps CentOS and RHEL do
> something differently that Emacs doesn't pick up on.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Pascal J. Bourguignon <
> pjb@informatimago.com> wrote:
>
>> Jai Dayal <dayalsoap@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > With set-frame-font, it doesn't have the same font set as other
>> > applications, though! That's the problem! They're not the same, at all.
>>
>> M-! xlsfonts RET should give you the font set, and it should be exactly
>> the same as for other applications.
>>
>> The only difference may be that in application font dialogs, this list
>> of X fonts is collected by font family and other categories.
>>
>>
>> Reasons you may get a different list of fonts however are:
>>
>> - you're using a different X server (improbable),
>>
>> - the applications are using other fonts than X fonts.  For example, TeX
>>   will use metafonts.  Some GUI toolkit used by applications often use
>>   TrueType fonts (instead or in addition to X fonts).
>>
>> There are some indications about using TrueType fonts in emacs in
>> http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/SetFonts#toc10
>> but I don't know what's the status of this feature in emacs 24.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> __Pascal Bourguignon__
>> http://www.informatimago.com/
>> "Le mercure monte ?  C'est le moment d'acheter !"
>>
>
>

Re: Frustrated with Font issues

[Buchs, Kevin J.]

I have some vague recollection of similar issues. It is what led me to 
just build the latest version of emacs from source. This is not hard to 
do, if you don't work about some of the dependencies on graphics 
libraries (at least to build a test case). The OS packages for 
CentOS/RHEL are so dated (as is most of the OS). Alternatively, I would 
suggest perusing the OS packages for emacs related packages, such as 
emacs-goodies and install them.

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On 06/05/2014 09:27 PM, help-gnu-emacs-request@gnu.org wrote:
> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 16:23:59 -0600
> From: Jai Dayal <dayalsoap@gmail.com>
> To: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com>
> Cc: help-gnu-emacs <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
> Subject: Re: Frustrated with Font issues
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> xlsfonts actually does indeed give a DIFFERENT set of fonts that Emacs
> uses. Emacs actually only has a small subset of these fonts!
>
> Jai

Frustrated with Font issues

[Jai Dayal]

Hi,

 I am using RHEL 6.5 and am running emacs 24.3 with a GUI. The fonts look
absolutely horrible, and the fonts that I have available via set-frame-font
are atrocious as well. I have asked in several places about this issue, and
I'm always blown off and told "blahh set something something in
.Xresources", but nothing ever specific.

People have said that it's an issue with X11, but I'm not convinced; every
other GUI application has normal looking fonts. Even the GUI version of Vim
has normal fonts; how can it be an X server or RHEL problem when every
other application has a sufficient set of fonts to use? This is clearly an
Emacs problem at this point.

If I use emacs in the terminal without X the fonts look fine. My terminal
says the font is "Monospace 10", and if I do C-u C-x = I get
display: terminal code #x3B

When I do C-u C-x = with GUI emacs, I get:
-adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--14-100-100-100-m-90-iso10646-1

Which is a font made available when I do M-x set-frame-font

Is there not a way to allow Emacs to use the same set of fonts that every
other X11 application uses? How can it be that Emacs fonts suck when other
applications have normal fonts?

I'm pissed off at this point.
Jai