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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:294186 Archived-At: --000000000000f82f8205e7373fc8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, Aug 26, 2022, 4:26 PM Stefan Kangas wrote: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > What would be the reason to remove references to old Emacs versions > > from the FAQ? I'm thinking maybe we should simply exempt the FAQ from > > this process, which is, of course, perfectly valid for the other > > documentation. > > The purpose is mostly just to make the text easier to read, and to make > it not look outdated. For example, references to this new cool feature > in Emacs 21 is not likely to be very relevant or helpful in 2022. > > But you may be right in general. Maybe we should really just delete the > absolutely antique stuff. > I've come across a number of packages where the last published version still uses the cl library. I had to download the oldest version of Emacs to get a manual for it to determine how to convert it to cl-lib. I'm just giving a concrete illustration of why someone may have a relevant question about a very ancient feature, given the pace at which Emacs truly evicts support for obsolete features. Lynn --000000000000f82f8205e7373fc8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Fri, Aug 26, 2022, 4:26 PM Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> wrote:
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> What would be the reason to remove references to old Emacs versions > from the FAQ?=C2=A0 I'm thinking maybe we should simply exempt the= FAQ from
> this process, which is, of course, perfectly valid for the other
> documentation.

The purpose is mostly just to make the text easier to read, and to make
it not look outdated.=C2=A0 For example, references to this new cool featur= e
in Emacs 21 is not likely to be very relevant or helpful in 2022.

But you may be right in general.=C2=A0 Maybe we should really just delete t= he
absolutely antique stuff.
I've come across a number of packages where th= e last published version still uses the cl library.=C2=A0 I had to download= the oldest version of Emacs to get a manual for it to determine how to con= vert it to cl-lib.=C2=A0=C2=A0
I'm just giving a= concrete illustration of why someone may have a relevant question about a = very ancient feature, given the pace at which Emacs truly evicts support fo= r obsolete features.

Lyn= n

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