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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:317124 Archived-At: On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 4:37=E2=80=AFPM Stefan Kangas wrote: [nice sentiments, but then...] > If it is true that Python "can be seen as a dialect of Lisp with > 'traditional' syntax",[2] then perhaps it is our turn to take a cue > from them. [...] > [2] https://norvig.com/python-lisp.html How about even if that claim is false? Because the modern inheritor of lisp implementation technology is clearly Javascript, at least in V8. Among other things, the heap can be dumped for later loading (again, V8-specific as far as I know). And my experience is that Norvig's classification of Python's storage management as "automatic" to be questionable. This observation is completely off-topic, of course. Lynn