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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309680 Archived-At: On Thu, Aug 31, 2023 at 11:06=E2=80=AFAM Drew Adams = wrote: > > Not all the users are even familiar with Git. > > But every Emacs user is expected to know how > > to M-x package-upgrade. > > Really? Who's expecting whom to expect > that? What's being based on such imposed > expectations? > > I don't think every Emacs user should be > expected to be familiar with Git OR to > know how to `M-x package-upgrade'. > > I don't even think that every Emacs user > should be expected to use packages or to > know about using packages. Even if an emacs user is knowledgeable about packages, they may be working in an environment with controls that inhibit the use of any software not installed by the root user and/or approved by a controls team. Including a library in the GNU emacs distribution is the easiest way to ensure its availability to these users as well. Lynn