From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lynn Winebarger Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Abysmal state of GTK build Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 08:15:18 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87ilmlluxq.fsf.ref@yahoo.com> <87ilmlluxq.fsf@yahoo.com> <83h725deo3.fsf@gnu.org> <87bksdltah.fsf@yahoo.com> <87r119bni8.fsf@gmail.com> <87v8ql4kwk.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <87tu65ilq2.fsf@telefonica.net> <87fshpgjsg.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35654"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Po Lu , ofv@wanadoo.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 23 14:17:01 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oQSq4-0008vf-Il for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 14:17:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39648 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQSq3-00079v-2w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 08:16:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45502) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQSoi-0006Se-6T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 08:15:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pj1-x102a.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::102a]:36480) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQSog-00014U-Gp; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 08:15:35 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pj1-x102a.google.com with SMTP id r14-20020a17090a4dce00b001faa76931beso17041978pjl.1; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 05:15:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc; bh=qo8iG9UuBiDbWb7vEkpd4uXdizrr1n3rMev53hNk+y8=; b=VgNIJ6716dYzSprjlEG42rWtbk+w7KCeNDEW9oHFDTQf/Rrt5Pxxd9wnzqW47pwYw7 TPaZgwuuG1iZk7UjMKSCWLuukBpsNsDIEOlC8LOed51YTLmCx82VaIiA99W+nzJrplri /2jzxaWbPYwx9WUrbbsRe4a+8s1kUdBwADMy3BaLDeTQF9ajhLVjRuPJpdDLpMJeE91L 90xiks9rN5QCFywh3r5OVcSKnnpYeBwharfKl08vLHlG+x5rGfNLvkUb18As/sgyZXz/ nrGYAOKDrLq0niBYOZXscLzsoraWwjjJXaNEWA/FpDMzPvPnER//oQ2HBeWWqILy+AcJ RyBw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc; bh=qo8iG9UuBiDbWb7vEkpd4uXdizrr1n3rMev53hNk+y8=; b=XCqPuRWsKhrvhEw62j4YHhVhWbh5BSOmfRstd+D2QMirRPepZx3+bNVSl/L1Ko2wro SdXVxyT1x79erZwokdUeGhIJbydhw7rFoo04NnjFQuLZVJTBm+jFmwSAH1F7rt8AvLOT fCoS3AjuSfQ1MDmxLyVeB1ruQXMfEzrP1ra8Q0hNYXoFIfXB0GixIWNYpOxi1JS7DUwD TMaYvk0MlS9hTPP3bnf8gKe9KV87qHp2HEt7EL0kD3+O9H0gWazEfTMMYOtoJXfw/ZLT bdUxKq6RrZxfHKmplszVBK8NS3+KC4+wv1opikLXHoH/EYc8gn34odq8ApjtK+Y8mwPL pcgw== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo27DLHDrZo8PAd8yJRanUY9B1DBC7Q7RFDpZ8LrVB+fPB4WGwjT NSG3mSvALTIhiJr2lc4HTl19wtAZjNK55sMwCUsGOh0CJRU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR4VfnLDwBBfQBfQCSBJA8G/Fp83pD1T40XQxwzUnhNT/ps0NPM/KkVIQjBF3fIUDm0Hmb7x7/Wq3ZITrMdcMyg= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:a70e:b0:172:c859:dcc1 with SMTP id w14-20020a170902a70e00b00172c859dcc1mr18119679plq.121.1661256931989; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 05:15:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::102a; envelope-from=owinebar@gmail.com; helo=mail-pj1-x102a.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293871 Archived-At: On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 11:47 PM Richard Stallman wrote: > Requiring a C++ compiler to build Emacs is a big practical > disadvantage. Including C++ code in Emacs will be an obstacle for > people such as me to debug or write code. That is independent of what > jobs the C++ code is used to do. Could you elaborate on why this is an issue when C++ infrastructure (including GNU C++ infrastructure) is so widely available? There is a lot of infrastructure code written in C++, evidently including GUI frameworks, so it's not like this decision is cost free. TIA, Lynn