From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bozhidar Batsov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs completion matches selection UI Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 22:00:33 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87fvqtg02v.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b33d1762b921e04eb7900cd X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1384804843 26341 80.91.229.3 (18 Nov 2013 20:00:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 20:00:43 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 18 21:00:50 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ViV03-0007QC-DA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 21:00:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45682 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ViV03-0002sG-1a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 15:00:47 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33757) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ViUzv-0002s9-VY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 15:00:41 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ViUzu-0006Eb-Bk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 15:00:39 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ob0-x22d.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22d]:51273) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ViUzu-0006EE-71 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 15:00:38 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ob0-f173.google.com with SMTP id gq1so2439055obb.32 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 12:00:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=aselL2T5zsx3pY0YD9li8coFbcoDsRkjvqK0xpSUT+4=; b=hbAq6DhtmKFEoBcd7dE0eT0Jah+EuiYkffWN+ii0Vp0VlJk4OlLF9kgbSRAm6M/keK 1fG81/YsQiB3zMlIrdiujR88RzcsHylv8PJjlEUtsFAmsqXdU/EwZtxpJBkkq3XkVMz0 11EO0hb+gd1bh9Pm+edGaa7ylFQu9neNzO58hOvbOGD30TQHF9fhQhOknYrD6+X6q2ek as67Uu58/6/NhRz6aIml6maDypsX/9dCVJVn08RkEsiETUOrI4lXsxoFUR3zGj+emUWQ scVMrUvdws/eC/TsqkG0PdoskYIrif9+5XMx/af+OpxE6C9OjTZjwPPTAZgTF6146lgn Pz6Q== X-Received: by 10.60.93.67 with SMTP id cs3mr21515644oeb.12.1384804833262; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 12:00:33 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.76.21.207 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 12:00:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87fvqtg02v.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: bLNJ5_fqXdP0OLk3gG-e3yUEy8s X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22d X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165340 Archived-At: --047d7b33d1762b921e04eb7900cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Unlike auto-complete-mode, Emacs's default completion system is rock-solid. :-) auto-complete uses some pretty messed up popup display library that doesn't play well with many packages. company-mode is much better in this regard. I guess I'm so used to the default completion system that I don't see it as something primitive and hard to work with. That said, it might not be a bad idea to include a "more modern" completion system in Emacs itself, but I'd opt for simplicity and reliability over fancy UIs. On 18 November 2013 18:13, Ted Zlatanov wrote: > In "(emacs.info) Completion Commands" there is help for using the > rudimentary buffer to select completion matches. I was struck by how > hard to use this was, compared to more recent packages like these: > > http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/AutoComplete > http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/CompanyMode > > Is there any chance the default Emacs appearance for selecting > completion matches can be improved (not necessarily by default) for > 24.4? I would help with this but don't know what's "state of the art" > and if there's already work in this direction. > > Thanks > Ted > > > --047d7b33d1762b921e04eb7900cd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Unlike auto-complete-mode, Emacs's default completion = system is rock-solid. :-) auto-complete uses some pretty messed up popup di= splay library that doesn't play well with many packages. company-mode i= s much better in this regard.=C2=A0

I guess I'm so used to the default completion system tha= t I don't see it as something primitive and hard to work with. That sai= d, it might not be a bad idea to include a "more modern" completi= on system in Emacs itself, but I'd opt for simplicity and reliability o= ver fancy UIs.


On 18 N= ovember 2013 18:13, Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> wrote:
In "(emacs.info) C= ompletion Commands" there is help for using the
rudimentary buffer to select completion matches. =C2=A0I was struck by how<= br> hard to use this was, compared to more recent packages like these:

h= ttp://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/AutoComplete
ht= tp://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/CompanyMode

Is there any chance the default Emacs appearance for selecting
completion matches can be improved (not necessarily by default) for
24.4? =C2=A0I would help with this but don't know what's "stat= e of the art"
and if there's already work in this direction.

Thanks
Ted



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