From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andrew Hyatt Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1452: Acknowledgement (23.0.60; Problem with nextstep, longlines-mode,) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 01:42:58 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20081129.145347.35808910.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.155222.124907962.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.161126.71259916.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <5vy4c46ifr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83oacz5188.fsf@gnu.org> <83y4c32wwf.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114405c6c522400528b49767 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1452131066 1017 80.91.229.3 (7 Jan 2016 01:44:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 01:44:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: hanche@math.ntnu.no, jwiegley@gmail.com, 1452@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 07 02:44:14 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aGzcY-0006nV-Kq for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 02:44:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56572 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aGzcX-0005f0-Oa for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 20:44:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45904) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aGzcT-0005ef-9n for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 20:44:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aGzcQ-00037V-2J for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 20:44:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:52479) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aGzcP-00037R-VJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 20:44:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGzcP-0001su-L6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 20:44:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Andrew Hyatt Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 01:44:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1452 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 1452-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1452.14521309967179 (code B ref 1452); Thu, 07 Jan 2016 01:44:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1452) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jan 2016 01:43:16 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40699 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGzbf-0001rj-M5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 20:43:15 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-vk0-f48.google.com ([209.85.213.48]:34853) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGzbe-0001rW-Iy for 1452@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 20:43:14 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-vk0-f48.google.com with SMTP id k1so166290801vkb.2 for <1452@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 17:43:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=CsfYA1S9ehwxaYZc7zmBYec7JqDfuqYh7PKjvy/0mPs=; b=gAJprMlStWZsmxMHidUNWaNcJLycGY2yni4xyYr8RhYsb9U60PUGUgFhER856e3mre f0EmSM4MO05Xjg6R5us0KWism4abbuTllwfjZASryvJj6VHKyrmKqp+EV3A2ljoHxJ9W 1hNKeQx3oWQFlUHFjCxH0q7SE+BBWTtZqfcNrN4yL8M2e/wO6RVn+nQ967Jmx3HBlyoj XWEeh1F3cCUzICBAGryVQiMel+pfWrk3H67nQ0ojJCf1wll7akT361PO1GUHEGK2Tt+o CwL3Y2XCvY1D4Ln823LAMU+NPmChWZQfm8l39K53Wy4Xljnow4eO0XkBcrGPI5cpFpfu Kk/g== X-Received: by 10.31.58.74 with SMTP id h71mr72398373vka.149.1452130989054; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 17:43:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83y4c32wwf.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:111310 Archived-At: --001a114405c6c522400528b49767 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 10:46 PM Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Andrew Hyatt > > Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 21:12:19 +0000 > > Cc: Glenn Morris , hanche@math.ntnu.no, > 1452@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > Has anyone considered putting these obsolete packages in the gnu ELPA? > I'm not > > sure about the bug policy, but I'd guess that bugs shouldn't be filed > against > > ELPA packages. > > AFAIK bugs are files against ELPA packages like they are against the > core Emacs. So moving to ELPA will not change this aspect of obsolete > packages. > > (It also feels wrong to move them to ELPA just because they are > obsolete. ELPA is supposed to be home for new and advanced stuff, not > for obsolete stuff. If someone steps forward wanting to maintain an > obsolete package, then a move to ELPA might make good sense, though.) > That's a fair point. Maybe there could be some special ELPA repository for obsolete packages. But what I'm mostly trying to figure out is if there is *any* way to get code to be completely unmaintained. We are, after all, trying to reduce the number of bugs (see the thread on 4k bugs) overall, and this is one way to do that. So the only way people would agree on right now, is if we remove the code entirely from emacs distribution. But I suspect that such a change would be rejected, even from obsolete packages, because someone might still be depending on them. --001a114405c6c522400528b49767 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, Jan 5,= 2016 at 10:46 PM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gn= u.org> wrote:
> From: And= rew Hyatt <ahyatt@= gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 21:12:19 +0000
> Cc: Glenn Morris <= rgm@gnu.org>, hanche@math.ntnu.no, 1452@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> Has anyone considered putting these obsolete packages in the gnu ELPA?= I'm not
> sure about the bug policy, but I'd guess that bugs shouldn't b= e filed against
> ELPA packages.

AFAIK bugs are files against ELPA packages like they are against the
core Emacs.=C2=A0 So moving to ELPA will not change this aspect of obsolete=
packages.

(It also feels wrong to move them to ELPA just because they are
obsolete.=C2=A0 ELPA is supposed to be home for new and advanced stuff, not=
for obsolete stuff.=C2=A0 If someone steps forward wanting to maintain an obsolete package, then a move to ELPA might make good sense, though.)

That's a fair point.=C2=A0 Maybe there c= ould be some special ELPA repository for obsolete packages.=C2=A0 But what = I'm mostly trying to figure out is if there is *any* way to get code to= be completely unmaintained.=C2=A0 We are, after all, trying to reduce the = number of bugs (see the thread on 4k bugs) overall, and this is one way to = do that.=C2=A0 So the only way people would agree on right now, is if we re= move the code entirely from emacs distribution.=C2=A0 But I suspect that su= ch a change would be rejected, even from obsolete packages, because someone= might still be depending on them.


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