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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 4:52 AM Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 08:17:21 +0300 > > From: Jean Louis > > Cc: Andrew Hyatt , 59346@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > When SQLite is already included in Emacs, it should not expect then > > that external SQLite related software is available on the system. > > I disagree. We included sqlite support in Emacs to let Lisp programs > gain access to databases, but we didn't intend to make Emacs a > platform for developing full-fledged sqlite applications. I now see where you are coming from. But I never knew your intentions and have been working on SQLite-based applications. It seems I=E2=80=99m not th= e only one. I think this represents a natural evolution where users are pushing the system beyond what is intended. That=E2=80=99s not a bad thing, and I t= hink emacs should follow the desire paths carved out be users here. It=E2=80=99s fine to wait until the trends are clearer, but I think this is= a very natural direction for module development, so its just a matter of time. And I see > nothing wrong with using external applications for DB administration, > especially since the tools to do that come with the same sqlite > installation as the library. > > > It is logical that Emacs with SQLite included should have proper way > > of doing backup without relying on external tools. > > You take that logic too far beyond our intent. > --0000000000001f706205edd2eadc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 4:52 AM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 08:17:21 +0300
> From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
> Cc: Andrew Hyatt <ahyatt@gmail.com>, 59346@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> When SQLite is already included in Emacs, it should not expect then > that external SQLite related software is available on the system.

I disagree.=C2=A0 We included sqlite support in Emacs to let Lisp programs<= br> gain access to databases, but we didn't intend to make Emacs a
platform for developing full-fledged sqlite applications.

I now see where you are coming fro= m.=C2=A0 But I never knew your intentions and have been working on SQLite-b= ased applications. It seems I=E2=80=99m not the only one. I think this repr= esents a natural evolution where users are pushing the system beyond what i= s intended. That=E2=80=99s not a bad thing, and I think emacs should follow= the desire paths carved out be users here.=C2=A0
It=E2=80=99s fine to wait until the trends are cl= earer, but I think this is a very natural direction for module development,= so its just a matter of time.=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0 And I see
nothing wrong with using external applications for DB administration,
especially since the tools to do that come with the same sqlite
installation as the library.


> It is logical that Emacs with SQLite included should have proper way > of doing backup without relying on external tools.

You take that logic too far beyond our intent.
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