From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Noam Postavsky Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: If records are not sequences, why does aref work on records? Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2017 09:33:49 -0400 Message-ID: References: <86pogo4vty.fsf@molnjunk.nocrew.org> <8360igof0k.fsf@gnu.org> <867f2w4qdk.fsf@molnjunk.nocrew.org> <0e6a0a16-8133-b2bc-404a-d0016f0c655e@cs.ucla.edu> <86h9202knq.fsf@molnjunk.nocrew.org> <4f2a1d4c-8703-4f07-a721-ea28c348631d@default> <864ly02i1m.fsf@molnjunk.nocrew.org> <74e43816-ff68-d443-e37b-fd41bbf584d0@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1491658490 22441 195.159.176.226 (8 Apr 2017 13:34:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2017 13:34:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs developers To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 08 15:34:45 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cwqVg-0004O9-WF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2017 15:34:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54851 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cwqVm-0000EZ-NG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2017 09:34:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58373) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cwqUy-0000DK-H4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2017 09:33:53 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cwqUx-0007pT-Hk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2017 09:33:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-oi0-x22a.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22a]:35704) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cwqUx-0007pM-CB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2017 09:33:51 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-oi0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id l63so3338178oig.2 for ; Sat, 08 Apr 2017 06:33:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=V/ur0mPdrgrpdN5MRrMLo/sY4c2eUOJBfzB9piclzRA=; b=SNYtBMYEKXymAOtSev3pNRedjVBNIXHuray7PHeOZ2OCbPE7ihFSPDlEnCU8Alam2H 878vI0LJEO10JCBKgAstVwucF9vIz5sUcay201L/hT0KV2clnW3P8EJ5itrTlXxpeDmB VNh6YzEExo2sjWBsEDPTXP38iN9yxeITVMtKCkdZuIWET7C/WWPGuDU6WmyjRQWMrG2H saOek5YQz/dPnDhDx0dSrqwkRFmtYyHO+P0IfwKFJBNRw1WN6h9z5QjDFul9CljfehiQ A7IpCkGtR+RnsY93DVUndsjP0mrNI2kBjKB9gHoZtcOydHrTmlb5+1z4FSkz372pZYy0 2YSQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=V/ur0mPdrgrpdN5MRrMLo/sY4c2eUOJBfzB9piclzRA=; b=P/7+lYQd05GWLAUfDF2y0xoVWxjfnuJWf+LnkEZzks2wBGLGCqD/zq1XsN9pbG2v0i Os0t4zHcMskU8qq/0Kf29bp+UBKJcUFJwOh7Nqqwj3I2XgFrnXoq7HMp1XDlVAvJ0bbJ zN4lBNXpBVoMSyCbBCU9tkueZishu+wg7ymIkDfAsRNhAcaHE3cMd90egvMiSbXi/GVG tpjReRIGa6M7f+Du4R9hQDpNqDoGl8lzF9spJipECDHwJ3nOFvQstL2z+tEYAu8kmgCS JDgoTms2F62LuVd1EoCaO2Eu/UVys0r2U77KSp8rZ+KRosekEGEio3R43pdiFPu8G2Mg rrVw== X-Gm-Message-State: AN3rC/5nMMdMD2ApQjfkHa6TVxiDq/MomJeRgSjdlnOnkZ/Oy35XeTsvPQ5AesFJ23wnDmBi/mJn8MgnEBwQiw== X-Received: by 10.157.13.234 with SMTP id 97mr6906ots.55.1491658430479; Sat, 08 Apr 2017 06:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.157.80.133 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Apr 2017 06:33:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Google-Sender-Auth: qCW7fFzZn9NGm048XiZm4iNBiKU X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22a X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:213806 Archived-At: On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 3:42 AM, Paul Eggert wrote: > Noam Postavsky wrote: >> >> having copy-record would still be a good idea, as it helps >> show the intent better. > > > If we go that route, for consistency shouldn't Emacs also have aref-record Well, if you're using aref on a record, the record abstraction is already being broken, so it doesn't seem as useful. On the other hand, I had forgotten about the copy-foo function that cl-defstruct creates, so maybe copy-record really is redundant.