From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Noam Postavsky Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_Change_terminology_to_better_align_users=E2=80=99_expe?= =?UTF-8?Q?rience_with_modern_GUIs?= Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 09:46:39 -0400 Message-ID: References: <58E90D68-5CE4-425F-BB5F-07533665ADC0@icloud.com> <20190723134018.GH27308@tuxteam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="140280"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: Help Gnu Emacs mailing list , Stefan Monnier To: tomas@tuxteam.de Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 23 15:47:05 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hpv8C-000aNR-Mk for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 15:47:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42612 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpv8B-0003tX-LU for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 09:47:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35419) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpv87-0003t5-3h for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 09:47:00 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hpv85-00005z-Sj for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 09:46:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-oi1-x22c.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::22c]:33270) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hpv85-0008VX-Kd for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 09:46:57 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-oi1-x22c.google.com with SMTP id u15so32350668oiv.0 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 06:46:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=4fId59gFo+x5WfHvyDGRwpX5kEBGU9m53yvotYn0/dw=; b=MeoyHzwcVqACRqQBycF2SbC5Ve0nlxhBk/huBuIXojgQn6XIKm520gLvzkoXy+npDX ovezuxrC07Hu2K4nWZLxMOgzS0O1SDHP/j24zyTz4wdywwB8PXe/V0rcCGWFXB/kfnYF TEsKLFu38iYvp+cp+Hp/63A6C/Wa6hNyvNa0S3JLc53ftAGifKm/pbVFsCcb7fyAH+mo 7tvURQ6CARGhAT3J26O04kuzpGSbavCWClg1eE7YGhS8OFDyg95w+bctoF/cm48vxxgJ BzM9n/Tv5rEn5kBxYbAbgFVSQ6zL+O8/8vKs981+mfAfNk7zvsV2fNIHkIP13muyfU/V Tylg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=4fId59gFo+x5WfHvyDGRwpX5kEBGU9m53yvotYn0/dw=; b=OTznxVgNkseahYHF3mbvPDyNAxC0OnvqdsvoT5qdniYfRa4YqNY5FY2Az9hogZkgHZ lSFMzkePBiZlYLDsa3ZcD53i5hNd8c4O3xIFXG1m/OlqIeQ3e1MggKs8NAc7NNvlgHmu hONZNhMmQ0KWQhLoQLfOjXe+y4BwDv9/G04jn7oGGByC97gQTbl2GMbsIgzDgm4GZ20J Uf9nTfd5unbxa//7UzhxlIru0gbhoWJULz6xkL8T76kQSGxQTwwl+Az7edEUdXK7WqW1 w4TtrqZ9LR3aNwGQ/xSjZ3bLvf2cnr02TEe5Mj/7tCcCIM+5Hj85oYzIkzBGsmtYBauV Cmag== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUNEbU9eJQv2tanq5AmDd2f8L5frOTmEWzuX3qVwxg0u5YywYi4 5Od23Bl7lRGNvM3uLJdi46w6mfv4XzU8sGYfy0+dJQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzdrGynaukwbsV6n/Y6m5mbwytJXkFZrnzkn9twpDOx8EVVRv18fjxhCW6ETlD8dw2jiIVtGkR1l2IwSiAoYY8= X-Received: by 2002:aca:b406:: with SMTP id d6mr36973804oif.173.1563889616361; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 06:46:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20190723134018.GH27308@tuxteam.de> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::22c X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:121239 Archived-At: On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 at 09:40, wrote: > And who knows what the "terminology du jour" will be in 10 years. This > industry is currently very much fad-driven. The term "window" has been pretty long-lived. > So imagine Emacs (painfully) changes window -> pane and frame -> window, > and the dominant technology talks about "trays" and "vanes". Or something. That would still be better, because we wouldn't have the Emacs-window vs Other-Gui-window meaning conflict.