From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Noam Postavsky Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] Enhance the use of prefix arguments when filling text Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 18:14:53 -0500 Message-ID: References: <83k2c8di9r.fsf@gnu.org> <5dc78c51-c472-9a9d-f933-0804c5e19ea8@orcon.net.nz> <83h97bcswt.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1479165360 21132 195.159.176.226 (14 Nov 2016 23:16:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 23:16:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Phil Sainty , Emacs developers To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 15 00:15:56 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c6QTQ-0002VH-H7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 00:15:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43097 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c6QTS-0001Az-4y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 18:15:38 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50497) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c6QSo-0001AX-Nd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 18:14:59 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c6QSn-0006fH-RX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 18:14:58 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-it0-x235.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::235]:36403) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c6QSm-0006d6-6F; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 18:14:56 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-it0-x235.google.com with SMTP id q124so132936496itd.1; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 15:14:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=JaB/fsLqGHp207otZfhpawvFXyOpn0zeaPTKYBR1p4Q=; b=vjV7nBzTxJLHs8B8BCdlUVhs9c8nQqQbtli7nry//h1pX+Dej/a6ABrEPmaaPv0dWN 1RyWcgQDbC8JQ86N9wbL82ukpYNgQQdyrb10hplJbI3bT1nzPmVcnoKzWrRVLZkD+8kz L+lOUNlJgvMjsYCoA/GByAb45U9V5FbBhq/aXtZyTRhelbnjxXtWX9Bz7wmOD8Te89x2 RllOj/jhk0NdPLlLovbdn7fxuZynoztvqbu4fvyruC2uifdyggXAlb3pv2qbQ32oOuMk TTZVZ7ZeEr0Ybn+drJNCT/bzP0ouQPP3duxj6ToKLw0uxOknYbfwF3g0JQACTOuW+yox avdw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=JaB/fsLqGHp207otZfhpawvFXyOpn0zeaPTKYBR1p4Q=; b=Tjl1RK6RrgYcDSKTTuzWiBzNmQz894jQp+YHQVasXEqMExD29VuZT8/9YeiaSYG8PZ HjkNjieCsIHnA7GVc1koMMq65SWTtwSmdJqx87NhunO82ZNXxiNzCsVmh0G5sXwWnUlU kc/OAYOf1BIYXzGNaYTGawbG1MUgkDbIv2qSM3C6/hCRYLLUg1+s06IiH+c6ZRW1PrZV K+wWbM59hXtroCWFHsnspMcDI9Od56APWL3XcfmkaTrYyYGcSwepzOeOEskrPFE2sJqt e4hMTCqD0PkV0R5gEHkUvV4jZkvki4LZfeNTleuvAu1RuS0k0f4glcBs7IAJzPBq2H6h sTkQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvcUdMImx4K93nStzDqh9fHzBZj6nAl55pjfhd7nJAmlAXRedEjrfDLnfCFiqLPYP4GlddU1mh0T54Zv3w== X-Received: by 10.202.244.214 with SMTP id s205mr8946816oih.70.1479165294021; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 15:14:54 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.157.4.67 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 15:14:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83h97bcswt.fsf@gnu.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: zMFOSCZX5btPNeO9pbBMgnedh3Y X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::235 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:209403 Archived-At: On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Phil Sainty >> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 23:33:39 +1300 >> >> > So why isn't the default 'hybrid'? It sounds like a more >> > backward-compatible setting to me. >> >> Yes indeed, but it's also a weird setting in that different numbers >> have completely different meanings, so I was a bit loathe to make it >> the default. It's not a very intuitive use of the 0-9 numeric prefix >> unless you already know why it works that way. >> >> My thinking was that people who tended to use, say, M-1 M-q to >> justify text would immediately notice the change and quickly find >> their way to the new option by looking at C-h k M-q (docstrings not >> yet updated in this patch) or the NEWS file, and quickly rectify >> the situation one way or another; whereas for everyone else it seemed >> nicer to me if the default behaviour was the more consistent one. >> >> I don't feel too strongly about it, so I'm perfectly happy to make >> the hybrid setting the default if people think it's for the best. > > I don't feel strongly, either, and will probably never use this > feature anyway. So let's see if there's someone else who thinks > 'hybrid' is a better default. > I can't say that I would use this feature much, but 'hybrid' sounds like the better default to me. Consistency is nice, but in this case it's not an especially helpful consistency, since filling with such a tiny width would be very rare.