From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Noam Postavsky Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23926: defcustom with STANDARD= gives confusing results Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 08:55:48 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83vb0fgu83.fsf@gnu.org> <87k2gvhvql.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <838txbgfgx.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1468068986 28513 80.91.229.3 (9 Jul 2016 12:56:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 12:56:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 23926@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 09 14:56:13 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bLrno-00022y-JC for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 14:56:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50789 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bLrnn-0000DN-GJ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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But it >> causes Emacs to claim the "original" value is different from what it >> originally was, which seems nonsensical. > > It's not nonsensical, it's what actually happens, AFAIK. What actually happens is that Emacs goes back in time to change what the original value was? Perhaps the dates in etc/future-bug are wrong then ;) > >> I wonder why Emacs saves only the original expression and not the >> actual original value? > > It does, but then it reevaluates at startup. It seems it's also reevaluated every time the variable is looked at with customize, or describe-variable.