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From: "Jorgen Schäfer" <jorgen.schaefer@gmail.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Vasilij Schneidermann <v.schneidermann@gmail.com>,
	emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Calling (package-initialize) sooner during initialization
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 23:02:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALqDrSfom7g2Nop3u63tut_5-9mFRMjenikd7BxQv+1YL6tAyw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvy4lxgk0j.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 10:44 PM, Stefan Monnier
<monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
>>> - package-load-list: Needs to be configured before.
>> If the user does not want to enable certain packages, they can move
>> them out of ~/.emacs.d/elpa/.
>
> Nope: package-directory-list can include system directories (with
> system-wide installed packages), so the user may not have the option to
> move them out of the directory.

My proposal does not talk about initializing anything in package-directory-list.

>>> - package-archives: Needs to be configured before for
>>>   non-interactive package installation.
>>> - package-pinned-packages: Needs to be configured before for
>>>   non-interactive package installation.
>>> - package-check-signature and package-unsigned-archives: Can be
>>>   customized afterwards.
>>> - package-directory-list: Needs to be configured before.
>> These are all only relevant for package installation, not for package
>
> True, except for package-directory-list which is very much used by
> package-initialize.

I was not talking about package-initialize.

To make myself a bit more clear, my proposal would mean adding these
lines of code to startup.el just before the user init file is loaded:

(dolist (dir (directory-files "~/.emacs.d/elpa" t "\\`[^.]"))
  (when (file-directory-p dir)
    (add-to-list 'load-path dir)
    (dolist (autoload (directory-files dir t "-autoloads.el\\'"))
      (load autoload nil t))))

This would solve the problem of users being confused because their
init file can not access packages they installed, allow all the heavy
package initialization to happen after the init file is processed, and
finally allow users to revert to the old behavior if they so choose by
setting package-user-dir to a different directory than ~/.emacs.d/elpa/.

Regards,
Jorgen



  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-12 21:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-12 12:09 Calling (package-initialize) sooner during initialization Jorgen Schäfer
2015-04-12 14:26 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-12 14:45   ` Jorgen Schäfer
2015-04-12 20:46     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-12 14:40 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2015-04-12 16:23   ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-12 20:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-12 21:02   ` Jorgen Schäfer [this message]
2015-04-12 23:22     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-13 22:52       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-13 22:49     ` Artur Malabarba
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-04-18 12:25 Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-18 13:32 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-18 14:24   ` Nic Ferrier
2015-04-18 15:16     ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-18 17:35       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-18 18:25         ` Nic Ferrier
2015-04-18 18:48           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-18 15:11   ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-18 17:16   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-18 17:56     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-18 18:16       ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-18 18:32         ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-19  0:24           ` Drew Adams
2015-04-19  0:38             ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-18 18:24       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-18 18:32         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-19  8:19           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-18 18:04     ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-18 18:23       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-19  3:07       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-19  6:44       ` Philipp Stephani
2015-04-19  8:11         ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-18 22:37     ` chad
2015-04-19  6:40     ` Philipp Stephani
2015-04-19  8:04       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-20  0:43         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-20  7:54           ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-20 12:42             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-20 14:31               ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-20 16:01                 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-20 17:29                   ` chad
2015-04-20 18:38                     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-20 19:40                       ` chad
2015-04-20 19:07                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-20 15:19               ` Mark Oteiza
2015-04-27  9:52               ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-04-27 11:03                 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-04-27 14:01                   ` Drew Adams
2015-04-27 12:32                 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-27 14:10                   ` Drew Adams
2015-04-27 14:15                     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-27 14:36                   ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-04-27 12:46                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-27 13:43                   ` Andy Moreton
2015-04-27 15:46                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-28 10:11                       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-28  7:25                     ` Oleh Krehel
2015-04-28  7:39                       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-28  7:42                         ` Oleh Krehel
2015-04-28 14:54                           ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-04-28 16:46                             ` Drew Adams
2015-04-28 17:29                               ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-04-28 18:52                                 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-29  1:20                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-28 15:32                           ` raman
2015-04-29  8:25                           ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-04-28 15:26                       ` raman
2015-04-27 14:13                   ` Drew Adams
2015-04-27 14:46                   ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-04-27 15:15                     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-27 15:52                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-28  0:30                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-04-29  8:01                       ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-04-29 13:09                         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-28  0:25                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-04-11 23:10 Vasilij Schneidermann
2015-04-12  1:00 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-12 16:46   ` Mark Oteiza
2015-04-12 19:43     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-12 20:05       ` Mark Oteiza
2015-04-12 20:28         ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-12  3:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-12  9:58   ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-12 12:02     ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]   ` <20150412082125.GA490@odonien>
2015-04-12 10:07     ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2015-04-12 10:28       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-03-30 19:01 Artur Malabarba
2015-03-30 20:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-03-31 10:52   ` Artur Malabarba
2015-03-31 12:34     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-18 10:46   ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-03-31  8:53 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-03-31 10:55   ` Artur Malabarba
2015-03-31 12:29   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-03-31 12:48     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-03-31 13:19     ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-03-31 13:47       ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-03-31 14:03         ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-03-31 14:56           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-01  6:04             ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-03-31 14:51 ` Sebastian Wiesner
2015-03-31 15:40   ` Artur Malabarba
2015-03-31 20:46   ` Stefan Monnier

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