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From: Sebastian Wiesner <lunaryorn@gmail.com>
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: call for more ert tests
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:36:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALf2awSLq=U=_OZKB3R5+sdj3yOGgqUxg5E2MdDhJREq84UW_Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3li5yrobr.fsf@stories.gnus.org>

2013/6/25 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>:
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> In fact, I believe that only an appearance of a very dedicated person
>> who would do the job is the only alternative to a strict policy of
>> requiring tests with each changeset.  How probable is that such an
>> alternative materializes any time soon, in your opinion?
>
> Unlikely, and I don't favour a huge set of automated tests, anyway, so
> I'm happy about that.
>
> If I decide that shr should render <li> differently than I originally
> thought it should, I'm very happy that I don't have a slew of unit tests
> for the HTML rendering.  Because then I'm done after changing the <li>
> rendering, and I don't have to touch up however many ert tests that this
> affects.

Actually, you aren't done… you are just out-sourcing your work, i.e.
regression testing, to your users.  In the absence of tests, you will
never realize that your quick change of "li" rendering accidentally
broke "a" rendering until the first user complains and sends you back
to the keyboard in order to debug the bug which you introduced.

Of couse, to you as a developer it's easier to just use your users as
testers, but that's probably not fair.  I as a user of your package
wouldn't like it… which is why I write tests for my own Elisp
packages.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-06-25 20:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-24 17:31 call for more ert tests Glenn Morris
2013-06-24 18:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-24 18:24   ` Lennart Borgman
2013-07-01 11:35     ` Andreas Röhler
2013-07-01 16:14       ` Stefan Merten
2013-07-01 16:35         ` Andreas Röhler
2013-07-01 16:37       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-07-01 17:35         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-07-01 18:44           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-07-01 19:32             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-07-01 20:34         ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-06-24 18:33   ` Sebastian Wiesner
2013-06-24 18:40     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-24 18:55       ` Sebastian Wiesner
2013-06-24 19:16         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-24 19:20           ` Lennart Borgman
2013-06-24 19:35           ` Óscar Fuentes
2013-06-24 19:59             ` John Wiegley
2013-06-25  1:21               ` Leo Liu
2013-06-25  2:44                 ` John Wiegley
2013-06-25  3:02                   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-25  2:31             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-06-25 14:38               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-25 11:06             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2013-06-25 12:11               ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-25 15:15               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-25 19:18                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2013-06-25 20:12                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-25 20:36                   ` Sebastian Wiesner [this message]
2013-06-25 20:44                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2013-06-28 15:01                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-06-28 15:39                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-28 15:41                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-06-26  9:03                     ` Julien Danjou
2013-06-26  5:12                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-06-24 19:46   ` Glenn Morris
2013-06-25 13:33     ` Noah Lavine
2013-06-25 17:18   ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2013-06-25 18:53     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-25 20:29       ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-07-01 11:45   ` Andreas Röhler
2013-07-01 12:43     ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-01 14:13       ` Andreas Röhler
2013-06-24 18:29 ` David Engster
2013-06-24 18:38   ` Glenn Morris
2013-06-24 19:04     ` David Engster
2013-06-25 22:15 ` Daniel Hackney
2013-06-26  9:22 ` Stefan Merten
2013-06-26 12:17   ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-06-26 15:52     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-26 16:03       ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-06-26 16:22         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-26 19:01           ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-06-26 19:10             ` Michael Albinus
2013-06-26 19:34               ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-06-26 19:56                 ` Michael Albinus
2013-06-26 19:28             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-26 19:46             ` Teemu Likonen
2013-06-26 15:50   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-29 15:11     ` Stefan Merten

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