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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:276059 Archived-At: --000000000000f223bf05cd5c1a71 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Oct 2, 2021, 10:04 Gregory Heytings wrote: > > AFAIK, no other language use a shorthand-like approach to implement > namespaces. That's perhaps not without a reason. > All of the catastrophical grep problems you and others insist on so much apply equally to other languages' systems. That's just a fact, so this particular argument of singling out shorthands comparatively is probably the most absurd one so far. Jo=C3=A3o > --000000000000f223bf05cd5c1a71 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sat, Oct 2, 2021, 10:04 Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org> wrote:

AFAIK, no other language use a shorthand-like approach to implement
namespaces.=C2=A0 That's perhaps not without a reason.
=

All of the catast= rophical grep problems you and others insist on so much apply equally to ot= her languages' systems. That's just a fact, so this particular argu= ment of singling out shorthands comparatively is probably the most absurd o= ne so far.=C2=A0

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