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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296618 Archived-At: --000000000000c3065105ea0e3910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 3:05 PM Philip Kaludercic wrote= : > Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > > > Since when are names "intuitive"? Do I have any intuition about who > > you are or what you do from your name alone? Names are abstract > > indirections by definition (with some 20th century structuralist and > > post-structuralist caveats that I really don't think apply here). > > Intuitive in the sense that you can reasonably infer information given > previous experiences. I know that [languagename]-mode is usually a > major mode for a language. A package name like "hl-diff" gives a rough > idea of what the package is about, when you know that "hl" stands for > highlight. Something like "highlight-parentheses" is obvious. If you > know about VC, then "vc-fossil" is an intuitive name. > Those are all phrases in disguise. Even "hl" is really two things. One could have come up with a short phrase instead of Eglot, say "emacs-very-bueno" or sth like that. That would probably be more intuitive. But also probably silly, and easy to miss the target. None of this makes any difference to the fact that Eglot is the best name for referring to exactly what Eglot is. Jo=C3=A3o --000000000000c3065105ea0e3910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 3:05 PM Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net> wrote:
Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora <joaotavora@gmail.com= > writes:

> Since when are names "intuitive"?=C2=A0 Do I have any intuit= ion about who
> you are or what you do from your name alone?=C2=A0 Names are abstract<= br> > indirections by definition (with some 20th century structuralist and > post-structuralist caveats that I really don't think apply here).<= br>
Intuitive in the sense that you can reasonably infer information given
previous experiences.=C2=A0 I know that [languagename]-mode is usually a major mode for a language.=C2=A0 A package name like "hl-diff" gi= ves a rough
idea of what the package is about, when you know that "hl" stands= for
highlight.=C2=A0 Something like "highlight-parentheses" is obviou= s.=C2=A0 If you
know about VC, then "vc-fossil" is an intuitive name.

Those are all phrases in disguise.=C2=A0 Even &quo= t;hl" is really two things.

One could have come up = with a short phrase instead of Eglot, say
"emacs-very-b= ueno" or sth like that. That would probably be more intuitive.
But also probably silly, and easy to miss the target.

None of this makes any difference to the fact that Eg= lot is the best
name for referring to exactly what Eglot is.=

Jo=C3=A3o

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