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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:252375 Archived-At: On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 5:30 PM Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 5:28 PM Michael Albinus = wrote: > > > > Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > > > > Hi Jo=C3=A3o, > > > > >> No annoyance. But a user of Emacs 26.3 has Tramp 2.3.5 built-in. Bec= ause > > >> of Eglot, Tramp 2.4.4 would be installed for her from GNU ELPA, w/o > > >> having asked for. > > > > > > Well, this user did ask for Eglot. He will also get an updated > > > xref.el, project.el eldoc.el, flymake.el as already happens. I'm > > > afraid this is just how inter-package dependencies work. > > > > The point is that this Tramp upgrade is not mandatory. Only if a user > > wants to apply Eglot remotely. I'm the last one who would say a Tramp > > upgrade is bad :-) But a Tramp upgrade w/o a reason? > > Yes, but in that vein of thinking then Tramp shouldn't be bundled > with Emacs too. There are lots of things we can do with Emacs > that don't require Tramp. But some of them do, and so we bundle > Tramp. > > And the same thing if we substitute Tramp for any feature X. Of course, we do take something similar in consideration regarding the _loading_ of X. For that, we have just-in-time "autoloads". But we don't have just-in-time "autoinstalls" yet. Jo=C3=A3o