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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309437 Archived-At: On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 3:59=E2=80=AFPM Lynn Winebarger wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 11:14=E2=80=AFAM Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora wrote: > > > > > > No, but it would be one explanation of why you would be top of mind i= n a discussion of why developers might not be inclined to be directly invol= ved in core development. > > > > If it were that it misses the mark. I had already been involved in > > core development years before Eglot, and in many other places, and I > > have no plans to stop just because of that one divergence, which > > wasn't even anything special considering baggage accumulated over > > the 10+ years I've been doing this. > > Right, that's where you would come down. But if I were a developer of > an external package considering whether it should be moved into core > emacs, that discussion would be one I would be considering. Sure, but also consider that a reasonable compromise was found in the end, and that the move as a whole was a great success, and was complemented by many existing Eglot users. Dmitry is the sole exception I know of, for other reasons being discussed in a side thread, Dmitry isn't even a user yet, rather a provider of very important infrastructure to Eglot. So I get that reading a large energetic discussion is very exciting but not need to lose track of the forest just because you spot a particular branch of a tree catch fire from time to time. No bridges were burned and before and since that discussion much more interesting things have been happening to Eglot in Emacs, and the participants in that discussion have resumed the healthy collaboration of always. Even though that may be more boring, I would focus on that when considering moving a package to core. Jo=C3=A3o