From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: use-package.el -> Emacs core Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 15:55:24 +0000 Message-ID: References: <564136F7.2020404@yandex.ru> <877flqe1a4.fsf@gmail.com> <87twoucaxz.fsf@gmail.com> <877flqc9jh.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1447170964 22949 80.91.229.3 (10 Nov 2015 15:56:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 15:56:04 +0000 (UTC) To: Juanma Barranquero , Oleh Krehel , Emacs developers , Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 10 16:56:00 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwBH4-0007zC-3c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 16:55:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33469 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwBH3-0000r1-6y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:55:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38445) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwBGr-0000oZ-K8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:55:46 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwBGq-0002XD-RR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:55:45 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-io0-x235.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c06::235]:35507) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZwBGq-0002Wx-Nq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:55:44 -0500 Original-Received: by ioc74 with SMTP id 74so5031572ioc.2 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 07:55:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eJMikCDRxZphqwMGS9puzaSKjFhxaaHnkaHajtBqYgM=; b=Dp7aBZiqAQ99E1wBRVLnt37yYkEa+w7HH2e+0HQRlY1MlbwUFNonmFJ7ZogbkysrkJ ceuKfD/ciIkHpAeyabZxBggnFLBHhz9Kccax2OCjkkwek9fwJtDXt4Q9eYNrQx23wcXl FzqOQmsGZJl1zOUdMWpUEx3fJEWLE55gFz7yQl0whDKkh4ySuv36e4rWioOAna4FlYLZ 6WMGoDXWCtIxJGeZuFsgwmcuQZUCr4ggLtkiDSEG0oBp5c+TEPp3PdjatngxWRDDvAeU 0xhXza1FbSu9VnM5QslSlUAoCUFIlIFJE1QugmWN5UJaZ1KzwjnNpp6ZUzSPisJlH/tQ Z6ZA== X-Received: by 10.107.6.146 with SMTP id f18mr4172781ioi.46.1447170944312; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 07:55:44 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.107.169.154 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Nov 2015 07:55:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c06::235 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:193875 Archived-At: On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 3:15 PM, John Wiegley wrote: > Against (2): > > - Oleh Krehel - It encourages people away from learning Elisp > - Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora - Adds too many bells & whistles > - [Stefan Monnier] - It detracts from authors taking package.el more seri= ously (?) I missed the recent changes in emacs-devel regarding maintainership. I understand you, John, are the head maintainer, but has emacs-devel moved to a "vote" system? Also "adds too many bells & whistles" is not a good summary of my opinion. I'm not even sure I am "against it". I haven't seen any fair comparisons. Basically "wants to see fair comparisons between different alternatives" would be a more objective summary, if such a thing is needed --=20 Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora