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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:276429 Archived-At: --000000000000d52f7b05cdae5194 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 1:21 PM Stefan Monnier wrote: > > I don't think it's natural at all. A most common case of me is doing a > > C-h f from within the *Help* buffer itself, > > Then there won't be any read-symbol-shorthands installed and you won't > be affected either way. > Yes, but if I reach that buffer from a query for s-foo, which was in the completions list, and then decide, from there, that I want s-bar instead, I'll be confused if it isn't in the completion list. > > to find another related function. Should I keep track of where all > > the C-h f chains started to use those shorthands in those C-h > > f searches? That's madness, at least for me. > > I don't think anyone suggested tracking such chains. > Right. But they could, legitimately, ask for this to supplant the confusion explained above. Jo=C3=A3o --000000000000d52f7b05cdae5194 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 1:21 PM Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
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> I don't think it= 's natural at all.=C2=A0 A most common case of me is doing a
> C-h f from within the *Help* buffer itself,

Then there won't be any read-symbol-shorthands installed and you won= 9;t
be affected either way.

Yes, but if I r= each that buffer from a query for s-foo, which was
in the complet= ions list, and then decide, from there, that I want
s-bar in= stead, I'll be confused if it isn't in the completion list.
=C2=A0
> to find another related function.=C2=A0 Should I keep track of where a= ll
> the C-h f chains started to use those shorthands in those C-h
> f searches?=C2=A0 That's madness, at least for me.

I don't think anyone suggested tracking such chains.
=C2=A0
Right. But they could, legitimately, ask for this to su= pplant
the confusion explained above.

Jo= =C3=A3o
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