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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:275918 Archived-At: On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 5:23 PM Drew Adams wrote: > > > Tools that understand the symbolic nature of the Lisp > > family of languages. For the example you have since, > > Tools that rely on way or the other really on the > > 'read' Lisp primitive. > > https://github.com/emacsmirror/el-search Nice prior art. thanks. > A hammer is a useful tool; it's just not the > only tool, and for many jobs it's not the best > tool. Howling against hammers is, well, as > dumb as thinking they're useful for everything. Sure. I use grep. I use the hammer. When I see something that looks like a nail mostly. Jo=C3=A3o