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Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::136 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248463 Archived-At: --00000000000097089305a4abb38c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 4:04 PM Dmitry Gutov wrote: > On 02.05.2020 17:18, Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora wrote: > > As Philippe himself has pointed out, there's the trade-off between > > convey information and a long-a$$ name, for example. So we > > _can_ use that as argument, in the opposite part of the spectrum. > > I for one think that expecting names to tell us everything, or > > even a lot, is naive, a losing battle. And, yes, naming_is_ hard > > it's one of the 2 hard ones along with cache invalidation and > > off-by-one. > > Can we agree, though, that 'concat' and 'append' are too far from the > "long-a=F0=9F=90=8D=F0=9F=90=8D" end of the spectrum? > > I hesitate to propose a renaming because there's a lot of history, but > just having a string-concat alias could improve the situation. > Sure I'd agree to that. (though maybe its rather concat-to-string hehehe). That's quite different from adding a zillion new s- words because clojure, tho. My position is: work on the manual. Make it prettier, better organized, etc. Parsimoniously add new names if that really helps. Jo=C3=A3o --00000000000097089305a4abb38c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 4:04 PM Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> wrote:
On 02.05.2020 17:18, Jo=C3=A3o T= =C3=A1vora wrote:
> As Philippe himself has pointed out, there's the trade-off between=
> convey information and a long-a$$ name, for example. So we
> _can_=C2=A0 use that as argument, in the opposite part of the spectrum= .
> I for one think that expecting names to tell us everything, or
> even a lot, is naive, a losing battle.=C2=A0 And, yes, naming_is_=C2= =A0 hard
> it's one of the 2 hard ones along with cache invalidation and
> off-by-one.

Can we agree, though, that 'concat' and 'append' are too fa= r from the
"long-a=F0=9F=90=8D=F0=9F=90=8D" end of the spectrum?

I hesitate to propose a renaming because there's a lot of history, but =
just having a string-concat alias could improve the situation.

Sure I'd agree to that.=C2=A0 (though maybe its= rather concat-to-string hehehe).
That's quite different= from adding a zillion new s- words because clojure,
tho.

My position is: work on the manual.=C2=A0 Make it pr= ettier, better organized, etc.
Parsimoniously add new names if th= at really helps.

Jo=C3=A3o


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