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X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::12b X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:242051 Archived-At: --0000000000000ccca30596ee658b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 9, 2019, 15:31 Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > I'll customize a face. Faces and variables that control > > application of faces are, in my humble opinion of course, > > crazy. Even for Emacs :-) > I think you are looking at this from the implementation POV. From > users' POV, an option (or a minor mode) is a better way when we are Implementation-wise, I think I would handle an `if` and a variable. It a very bad idea for usability, that's all. Just what would you call this thing? No, no, forgot I asked :-) Anyway, whatever the name I strongly oppose it. I can't stop you from adding it, of course. Eli, although I do feel some itch to reply to your characterization of my solution as "all-or-nothing" I will leave the discussion here, since I have nothing new to add. Contrary to what you might believe from the number of words I spent on this, I am not sad or demotivated. I plan on continuing to contribute to Emacs and some of these things will require (or are already waiting for ) your feedback, so I suggest we move on to those. Jo=C3=A3o --0000000000000ccca30596ee658b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sat, Nov 9, 2019, 15:31 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> > I'll custom= ize a face. Faces and variables that control
> > application of fa= ces are, in my humble opinion of course,
> > crazy. Even for Emacs= :-)
> I think you are looking at this from the implementation POV.= =C2=A0 From
> users' POV, an option (or a minor mode) is a b= etter way when we are

Implementation-wise, I think= I would handle an `if`
and a variable.=C2=A0 It a very bad = idea for usability,
that's all. Just what would you call= this thing? No,
no, forgot I asked :-)
Anyway, wh= atever the name I strongly oppose it.
I can't stop you from a= dding it, of course.

Eli, although I do feel some itch to= reply to your
characterization of my solution as "all-= or-nothing"
I will leave the discussion here, since I have n= othing
new to add.=C2=A0 Contrary to what you might believe from<= /div>
the number of words I spent on this, I am not sad
or de= motivated. I plan on continuing to contribute to
Emacs and some o= f these things will require (or are
already waiting for <= wink>) your feedback, so I suggest
we move on to those.

Jo=C3=A3o


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