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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:276081 Archived-At: --000000000000621b1e05cd64c709 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As you wish. Beware that "aliasing" means something completely different in Emacs and symbols. Jo=C3=A3o On Sat, Oct 2, 2021, 21:42 Gregory Heytings wrote: > > >>> For me "namespaces" are about allowing the same thing to be invoked b= y > >>> different names, depending on context. > >> > >> This is not at all what namespaces are about. This is aliasing. > > > > Says you, right? Or is the definition of namespace rigidly set down > > somewhere? > > > > You are free to use whatever definition you want, but aliasing is the > exact opposite of namespaces: namespaces allow you to use the same (short= ) > identifier to denote different objects, aliasing allows you to use > different identifiers to denote the same object. --000000000000621b1e05cd64c709 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As you wish. Beware that "aliasing" means somet= hing completely different in Emacs and symbols.

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Jo=C3=A3o

On Sat, Oct 2, 2021, 21:42 Gregory Heyting= s <gregory@heytings.org> = wrote:

>>> For me "namespaces" are about allowing the same thin= g to be invoked by
>>> different names, depending on context.
>>
>> This is not at all what namespaces are about.=C2=A0 This is aliasi= ng.
>
> Says you, right? Or is the definition of namespace rigidly set down > somewhere?
>

You are free to use whatever definition you want, but aliasing is the
exact opposite of namespaces: namespaces allow you to use the same (short) =
identifier to denote different objects, aliasing allows you to use
different identifiers to denote the same object.
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