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* Re: [External] : Re: Shrinking the C core
@ 2023-09-13  5:24 Arthur Miller
  2023-09-13 14:46 ` Drew Adams
  2023-09-15  8:18 ` Emanuel Berg
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 570+ messages in thread
From: Arthur Miller @ 2023-09-13  5:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: rms; +Cc: emacs-devel

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>
>  > Of course, but nobody suggests it is all-in. `length' is not a keyworded
>  > in CL either.
>
>Oops, I thought it was -- but the time when I implemented and used
>Common Lisp was 40 years ago.
>
>I am pretty sure `member' used keyword arguments, and I think that
>getting behavior equivalent to traditional Lisp `member' required
>specifying a keyword argument.  I never forgot that, during that
>period, because I got reminded of it almost every day.
>
>  >  But it is convenient to have keywords in
>  > some places, like for example in define-minor-mode or make-process, or
>  > even "new" define-keymap.
>
>I would not object to using keyword arguments for functions like that
>-- complex and cumbersome to use, and not used often.

Well, than we pretty much agree 100% about keyword args. 40 years ago I
was playing in the woods, but as I have learned Lisp some barely 2 or 3
years ago, thanks to Emacs Lisp, that is pretty much how I understand
keyword arguments and why they are used, so that is why it felt a bit
strange when you said you don't want them, but I understand now that you
might have felt aversion if they were used everywhere; it certainly is a
PITA in functions with small number of arguments.

Question is also, if Maclisp was developed further, to current day, if
and how it would evolve itself. As time goes buy we discover new idioms,
patterns, have different needs etc. These things changes and new ideas
emerges; it is very much probable that Maclisp itself would look
differently than what it was when CL was conceived. I am sure they
wouldn't have those paires of complementatry functions
(remove-if/remove-if-not) which make for a big part of CL verbosity too.




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* Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes, people want to use cl-lib?
@ 2023-11-03  8:21 Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
  2023-11-03  9:27 ` João Távora
  2023-11-03 13:37 ` Gerd Möllmann
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 570+ messages in thread
From: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez @ 2023-11-03  8:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel

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My own mea culpa:

I've written a couple of things using cl-lib features in the past, mainly
because I came across
the cl-lib documentation and found ways of doing things that were also
present in "regular Emacs LISP". Mainly a backend for company interacting
with different intermediate LaTEX files before the texlab LSP server was
"good enough" for me. Looking at them now, I blush at the fact that I could
have written them with seq-filter & friends.

So, why did I go for cl-lib?

Honest answer: it looked fancy enough to make me try it and I'm always
trying to learn new things to keep my neurons active

Mea culpa, /PA
-- 
Fragen sind nicht da, um beantwortet zu werden,
Fragen sind da um gestellt zu werden
Georg Kreisler

Headaches with a Juju log:
unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.uniter.operation we should run
a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't yet

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2023-09-13  5:24 [External] : Re: Shrinking the C core Arthur Miller
2023-09-13 14:46 ` Drew Adams
2023-09-14 12:09   ` Arthur Miller
2023-09-15 16:17     ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-15 20:04       ` Drew Adams
2023-09-15 20:21         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-16 20:55           ` Drew Adams
2023-09-17 10:08             ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-17 14:34               ` Yuri Khan
2023-09-17 23:14                 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-17 17:16               ` Drew Adams
2023-09-17 23:48                 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-15  8:18 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-17  0:46   ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-17  4:55     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-17  9:13       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-17  9:54         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-17 17:38         ` Drew Adams
2023-09-18 19:38           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-19 10:19           ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-19 10:21         ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-19 11:21           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-19 12:39             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-21 20:27             ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-17  5:41     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-17  8:54       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-17 17:29         ` Drew Adams
2023-09-18 19:40           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-15  1:53       ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-15  2:46         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-15  5:57           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-15  5:54         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-17  4:51           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-19  1:28             ` Lisp files that load cl-lib in problematical ways Richard Stallman
2023-10-19  4:14               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-19  4:54                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-19  5:18                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-19  7:56                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-19  8:11                     ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-24  0:59                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-19  7:34                   ` Stephen Berman
2023-10-19  7:55                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-19  8:32                       ` Stephen Berman
2023-10-19  9:04                       ` Andrea Corallo
2023-10-19 13:44                         ` Andrea Corallo
2023-10-19 14:14                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-19 16:11                             ` Andrea Corallo
2023-10-25 22:02                               ` Andrea Corallo
2023-10-25 22:31                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2023-10-26  5:18                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-26 11:19                                     ` Andrea Corallo
2023-10-26  5:16                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-07 10:51                               ` Andrea Corallo
2023-11-08 18:01                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2023-11-09 11:41                                   ` Andrea Corallo
2023-11-09 15:37                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-09 16:10                                       ` Andrea Corallo
2023-11-09 16:36                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-09 18:34                                           ` Andrea Corallo
2023-11-09 19:48                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-21  5:19                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-21  5:19                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-19  5:27               ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-19  7:47                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-19 11:19                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-19 12:29                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-20  3:02                       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-20  6:10                         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-10-20  6:30                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-20  6:49                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-21 10:18                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-21 15:17                           ` Jens Schmidt
2023-10-21 15:21                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-22  0:52                         ` Björn Bidar
2023-10-22  1:20                           ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                         ` <87pm17iilu.fsf@>
2023-10-22  5:09                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-23 11:07                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-23 11:47                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-23 12:26                               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-23 12:18                             ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-23 12:51                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-23  2:08                         ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-23  2:31                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-23  8:13                             ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-19 12:34                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-19 12:55                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-19 13:28                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-19 14:09                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-21  3:34                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-10-21  5:21                         ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-21  7:42                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-21 17:53                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-21 18:03                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-10-21 20:13                                 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-10-25  2:44                                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-21 19:00                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-21 20:38                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-22  3:40                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-10-25  2:44                                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-25 12:15                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25 12:57                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-23  2:12                             ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-21 12:05                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-23  2:11                             ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-23 12:54                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-23 14:11                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25  2:46                                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-25 12:21                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-26  2:27                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-26  6:50                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-26 10:16                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-23 14:06                               ` Gregory Heytings
2023-10-23 14:34                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-23 14:48                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2023-10-23 14:57                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-23 22:11                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-24  2:31                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24  8:18                                           ` Po Lu
2023-10-24  8:35                                           ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-24  9:04                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-10-24 11:35                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 12:41                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-10-24 12:48                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 13:01                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-10-24 13:07                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 13:33                                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-10-24 13:51                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 14:31                                                             ` Andrea Corallo
2023-10-24 15:00                                                               ` Corwin Brust
2023-10-24 18:05                                                               ` Andrea Corallo
2023-10-24 19:43                                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-10-25 18:19                                                                   ` Corwin Brust
2023-10-24 11:30                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 15:44                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-24  8:10                                         ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                                         ` <87cyx4jva9.fsf@>
2023-10-24 11:27                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 12:43                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-24 12:54                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 15:19                                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-24 15:29                                             ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                                             ` <87ttqghwcs.fsf@>
2023-10-24 15:54                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 17:54                                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-24 18:36                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-27  2:12                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-27  6:19                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-23 15:07                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-19 17:47                     ` Björn Bidar
2023-10-23  2:08                     ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-23 11:18                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25  2:47                         ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-25  3:11                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-25  7:57                           ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-25  8:07                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-10-26  2:27                             ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-26  6:55                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-26  9:31                                 ` Adam Porter
2023-10-26  9:42                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-26 10:03                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-26 10:34                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-26 11:32                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-26 19:47                                     ` Bob Rogers
2023-10-26 19:59                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-28  3:20                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-28 15:39                                         ` What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib? Stefan Kangas
2023-10-28 16:18                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-28 18:52                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-28 19:08                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-28 19:15                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-28 19:36                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-28 19:10                                           ` Jim Porter
2023-10-28 19:14                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-28 21:03                                               ` Jim Porter
2023-10-29  6:10                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-30  2:09                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-30 17:13                                                   ` Jim Porter
2023-10-30  2:09                                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-31  2:31                                             ` Adam Porter
2023-10-31  3:27                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-31 10:38                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-02  2:28                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-02  2:42                                                   ` Jim Porter
2023-11-02  8:55                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-11-02  9:27                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-02 21:26                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-11-03  1:51                                                         ` Bob Rogers
2023-11-03  2:21                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-03 19:51                                                             ` Bob Rogers
2023-11-03 20:32                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-03 22:33                                                                 ` Bob Rogers
2023-11-03 22:46                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-04  9:34                                                                     ` Stephen Berman
2023-11-05 18:52                                                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-07 16:17                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-08 14:19                                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-08 15:00                                                               ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                                                               ` <87r0l070jt.fsf@>
2023-11-08 17:18                                                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-08 17:59                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-08 20:19                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-08 21:10                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-08 23:17                                                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-09 10:05                                                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-09 11:06                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-09 11:37                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-09 12:34                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-09 13:38                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-09 15:05                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-09 15:29                                                                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-09 15:43                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 13:10                                                                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 13:57                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 14:07                                                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 14:16                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 14:54                                                                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 16:05                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-09 15:39                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-09 15:51                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-09 16:23                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-09 13:45                                                                           ` Po Lu
2023-11-09 14:28                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-09 14:39                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-10  0:02                                                                                 ` Po Lu
2023-11-10  2:23                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-11-10  2:42                                                                                     ` Po Lu
2023-11-10 11:11                                                                                       ` João Távora
2023-11-10 12:52                                                                                         ` Po Lu
2023-11-10 13:08                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-11-10 13:39                                                                                             ` Po Lu
2023-11-10 14:18                                                                                           ` Manuel Giraud via Emacs development discussions.
2023-11-10 21:05                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-11  1:11                                                                                             ` Po Lu
2023-11-11  1:44                                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-11  1:58                                                                                                 ` Po Lu
2023-11-11 15:54                                                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-12  0:22                                                                                                 ` Po Lu
2023-11-11  6:01                                                                                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-11  7:55                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 13:09                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-11 13:17                                                                                                 ` Po Lu
2023-11-11 13:39                                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-11-11 14:06                                                                                                     ` Po Lu
2023-11-11 14:43                                                                                                       ` João Távora
2023-11-11 13:53                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 14:01                                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-11-11 14:09                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 14:22                                                                                                       ` João Távora
2023-11-11 14:25                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 14:39                                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-11-11 15:06                                                                                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 18:33                                                                                                         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-11-11 18:49                                                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 14:53                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-11 15:51                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 18:07                                                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-11 20:37                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 20:53                                                                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-12  6:49                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-12  7:22                                                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-12 11:28                                                                                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-14  2:58                                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-12  6:59                                                                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-12  8:44                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-13  6:28                                                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-13 14:56                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-13 16:38                                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-16  3:04                                                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-11 21:49                                                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-12  2:36                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-12  6:27                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-12 10:21                                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-12 11:22                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-12 14:34                                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-12  7:11                                                                                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-12 22:09                                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-12 23:14                                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-13  0:25                                                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-13  1:03                                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-13  2:43                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-14  0:41                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-14  2:27                                                                                                                       ` João Távora
2023-11-14  2:44                                                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-14 10:34                                                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-11-14 11:47                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-14 12:14                                                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-14 12:20                                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-14 12:50                                                                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-11-14  2:44                                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-14  2:48                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-14 15:45                                                                                                                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-14 23:11                                                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-14 23:52                                                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-11-15  0:46                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-15  1:07                                                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-15  1:17                                                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-15  1:32                                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-15  1:28                                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-15 12:14                                                                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-11-15 14:05                                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-15 15:02                                                                                                                                       ` João Távora
2023-11-15 15:29                                                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-15 19:12                                                                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-15 19:56                                                                                                                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-15 23:25                                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-16  0:28                                                                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-16  5:45                                                                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-16 14:30                                                                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-11-16 16:02                                                                                                                                             ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-16 16:24                                                                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-16 17:44                                                                                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-16 20:06                                                                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-16 20:12                                                                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-17 14:16                                                                                                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-16 20:09                                                                                                                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-16 21:54                                                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-17  2:44                                                                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2023-11-17  2:47                                                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-17  7:12                                                                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-17  6:08                                                                                                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-17  7:21                                                                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-17 16:14                                                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2023-11-18  5:58                                                                                                                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-20 14:56                                                                                                                                                         ` Augusto Stoffel
2023-11-17 14:45                                                                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-20 14:30                                                                                                                                                 ` PCL [Re: " Madhu
2023-11-20 14:35                                                                                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-11-20 15:13                                                                                                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-17  2:09                                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-21  2:22                                                                                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-16 13:23                                                                                                                                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-16 14:40                                                                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-11-16 15:24                                                                                                                                             ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-16 15:29                                                                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-16 13:43                                                                                                                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-16 14:36                                                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-11-16 15:16                                                                                                                             ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-16 15:24                                                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-16 16:42                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-16 17:40                                                                                                                                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-16 21:58                                                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-17  6:56                                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-17 10:44                                                                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-17 10:47                                                                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-17 12:22                                                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-17 13:14                                                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-17 15:01                                                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-17 15:17                                                                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-18  6:14                                                                                                                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-17 14:49                                                                                                                                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-17 15:05                                                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-18  3:03                                                                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-14  6:06                                                                                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-13  8:35                                                                                                               ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-13 11:21                                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-14 14:43                                                                                                                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-15  5:59                                                                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-16 15:22                                                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-12  2:57                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-12  6:45                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-12 19:45                                                                                                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-11-14  2:58                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-14  3:31                                                                                                       ` Sebastián Monía
2023-11-14 12:29                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-15 18:28                                                                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-16  1:33                                                                                                           ` T.V Raman
2023-11-14  5:05                                                                                                       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-11-14  8:13                                                                                                       ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-11-14 10:38                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-14 10:55                                                                                                           ` Po Lu
2023-11-14 11:47                                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-14 14:04                                                                                                               ` Po Lu
2023-11-14 14:19                                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-14 15:02                                                                                                                   ` Po Lu
2023-11-14 15:35                                                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-15  0:13                                                                                                                       ` Po Lu
2023-11-15 10:28                                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-15 10:40                                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-15 10:56                                                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-15 12:36                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-15 13:15                                                                                                                           ` Po Lu
2023-11-15 13:28                                                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-15 13:34                                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-14 17:40                                                                                                               ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-11-15  0:53                                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-14 16:47                                                                                                             ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-11-21  2:43                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-03  4:11                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-03 11:55                                                                                                       ` João Távora
2024-01-03 13:59                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-03 12:44                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-12  7:30                                                                                                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-12 19:48                                                                                                   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-11-12 19:58                                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-12 22:43                                                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2023-11-12 22:59                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-12 23:04                                                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2023-11-12 23:44                                                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-15 14:41                                                                                                 ` Augusto Stoffel
2023-11-15 14:51                                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-11-15 21:21                                                                                                     ` Augusto Stoffel
2023-11-16  0:28                                                                                                       ` João Távora
2023-11-16 14:36                                                                                                         ` Augusto Stoffel
2023-11-16 14:57                                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-11-16 15:42                                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-16 16:03                                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-11 15:23                                                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 16:03                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 16:41                                                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 16:45                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 18:31                                                                                               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-11-11 18:30                                                                                             ` Drew Adams
2023-11-11 13:37                                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 13:50                                                                                             ` Po Lu
2023-11-11 13:58                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-12  0:18                                                                                                 ` Po Lu
2023-11-11 13:20                                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 18:32                                                                                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-11-12  0:34                                                                                       ` Po Lu
2023-11-12  2:00                                                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-12  6:56                                                                                           ` Po Lu
2023-11-12 23:59                                                                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-13  5:18                                                                                               ` Po Lu
2023-11-13  6:09                                                                                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-09 15:23                                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-10  0:31                                                                               ` Po Lu
2023-11-10  2:09                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-10  3:17                                                                                   ` Po Lu
2023-11-10 10:54                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-10 13:14                                                                                       ` Po Lu
2023-11-10 14:18                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-11  0:38                                                                                           ` Po Lu
2023-11-11 12:10                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-11 13:03                                                                                               ` Po Lu
2023-11-11 13:20                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-11 13:35                                                                                                   ` Po Lu
2023-11-11 18:13                                                                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-12  0:25                                                                                               ` Po Lu
2023-11-12  1:52                                                                                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-12  7:15                                                                                                   ` Po Lu
2023-11-12 23:55                                                                                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-13  5:16                                                                                                       ` Po Lu
2023-11-13  6:35                                                                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 18:08                                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-13  3:07                                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-10 21:22                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-11  1:14                                                                                           ` Po Lu
2023-12-05 10:45                                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-10 21:17                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-11  1:23                                                                                       ` Po Lu
2023-11-11  6:11                                                                                         ` tomas
2023-11-11 12:27                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-11-11  6:24                                                                                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-11 20:42                                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-12  7:42                                                                                             ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-12 23:22                                                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-13  8:52                                                                                                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-13 11:31                                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-11-15 23:26                                                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 12:16                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-11 12:52                                                                                           ` Po Lu
2023-11-10  2:04                                                                             ` Po Lu
2023-11-10  8:20                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-10 10:42                                                                               ` Po Lu
2023-11-10 11:36                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-10 12:12                                                                                   ` Po Lu
2023-11-10 14:39                                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-11  0:12                                                                                       ` Po Lu
2023-11-11  6:34                                                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-11  7:49                                                                                           ` Po Lu
2023-11-11  8:01                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-15 14:50                                                                                             ` Augusto Stoffel
2023-11-12  2:57                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-10 14:35                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-10  7:05                                                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-10 13:16                                                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-10 14:23                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-10 14:34                                                                               ` Manuel Giraud via Emacs development discussions.
2023-11-11  1:33                                                                               ` Po Lu
2023-11-09  3:17                                                                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-09  3:59                                                                       ` T.V Raman
2023-11-09  7:24                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-09 10:34                                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-09 11:48                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-09 12:40                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-09 13:36                                                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-09 13:41                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-09 13:59                                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-10 12:13                                                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-10 12:53                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-10 13:17                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-10 14:25                                                                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-10 14:35                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-10 15:11                                                                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-10 15:14                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-10 15:47                                                                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-10 16:10                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-10 20:24                                                                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-11 11:53                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-11  6:21                                                                                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-11 13:20                                                                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-11  6:08                                                                                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-11 12:50                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-13  3:07                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-09 13:42                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-09 13:07                                                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-09 12:19                                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-09 14:49                                                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-09 15:12                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-09 15:13                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-09 20:04                                                                             ` Bob Rogers
2023-11-11  3:13                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-11 19:47                                                                                 ` Bob Rogers
2023-11-13  3:07                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-13  5:11                                                                                     ` Bob Rogers
2023-11-15  3:21                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-09 19:36                                                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-03  2:22                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-03  7:07                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-03  7:48                                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-11-03  7:59                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-03  8:13                                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-11-12  2:57                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-12 11:08                                                       ` Petteri Hintsanen
2023-11-12 11:19                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-12 23:48                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-12-21  4:20                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-02 11:07                                                   ` João Távora
2023-11-02 11:18                                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-02 15:20                                                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-11-02 15:31                                                       ` João Távora
2023-11-02 18:28                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-07 16:18                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-07 16:39                                                         ` Drew Adams
2023-11-07 18:16                                                           ` Bob Rogers
2023-11-09  2:35                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-08  5:46                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-01  1:51                                               ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-01  1:51                                               ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-29 16:31                                         ` Lisp files that load cl-lib in problematical ways João Távora
2023-10-29 17:16                                           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-10-29 23:19                                             ` João Távora
2023-10-30 14:35                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-30 14:50                                                 ` João Távora
2023-10-30 16:27                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-30 16:40                                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-01  1:50                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-01 11:16                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-01 12:32                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-01 12:49                                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-01 13:07                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-01 13:17                                                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-01 14:09                                                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-01 14:13                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-01  1:48                                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-01 12:09                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25 12:23                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-26  2:27                             ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-26  6:49                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25  2:47                         ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-20  7:48     ` [External] : Re: Shrinking the C core Arsen Arsenović
2023-10-20 10:08       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-10-21  8:22         ` Emanuel Berg
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-11-03  8:21 What's missing in ELisp that makes, people want to use cl-lib? Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2023-11-03  9:27 ` João Távora
2023-11-03 10:43   ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2023-11-03 13:37 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-03 14:27   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-03 15:08     ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-03 15:13       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-03 15:30         ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-03 15:39           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-03 15:49             ` Gerd Möllmann

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