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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:225176 Archived-At: --001a1149b0a0d6bf0b056bcb0087 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 8:21 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora > > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Date: Wed, 09 May 2018 20:15:23 +0100 > > > > > An idle timer set for 600 seconds will run when ten minutes have > > > elapsed since the last user command was finished, even if subprocess > > > output has been accepted thousands of times within those ten minutes, > > > and even if there have been garbage collections and autosaves. > > > > Doesn't this contradict what you told me first? I.e doesn't this > > contradict the fact that this never returns? > > > > (catch 'done > > (run-with-idle-timer 600 nil (lambda () (throw 'done nil))) > > (while t (accept-process-output nil 0.1))) ; 6 thousand times > > > > or should the manual be saying "even if subprocesses output has been > > non-explictly accepted thousands of times"? > > "Subprocess output" in that text doesn't include what > accept-process-output delivers, the text alludes to reading of > subprocess output via filter functions. > Hmm... There certainly seems to be more than a little room for confusion, but I couldn't probably think of a better phrasing. Thanks, and hoping future confused users can find this thread. Jo=C3=A3o --001a1149b0a0d6bf0b056bcb0087 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On W= ed, May 9, 2018 at 8:21 PM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> From: Jo=C3=A3o T=C3= =A1vora <joaotavora@gmail.com>
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 09 May 2018 20:15:23 +0100
>
> > An idle timer set for 600 seconds will run when ten minutes have<= br> > > elapsed since the last user command was finished, even if subproc= ess
> > output has been accepted thousands of times within those ten minu= tes,
> > and even if there have been garbage collections and autosaves. >
> Doesn't this contradict what you told me first?=C2=A0 I.e doesn= 9;t this
> contradict the fact that this never returns?
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0(catch 'done
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(run-with-idle-timer 600 nil (lambda () (throw '= ;done nil)))
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(while t (accept-process-output nil 0.1))) ; 6 thou= sand times
>
> or should the manual be saying "even if subprocesses output has b= een
> non-explictly accepted thousands of times"?

"Subprocess output" in that text doesn't include what<= br> accept-process-output delivers, the text alludes to reading of
subprocess output via filter functions.

Hmm... There certainly seems to be more than a little room for=C2=A0
=
confusion, but I couldn't probably think of a better phrasing. Tha= nks,=C2=A0
and hoping future confused users can find this thread.=

Jo=C3=A3o
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