From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 12:18:41 +0100 Message-ID: References: <16338bdc2497fc51c6fb6d54ab370bfb@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <874ka5gsqa.fsf@gnus.org> <25d8d72022b571db5291@heytings.org> <87h7e2xsl5.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25943"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Richard Stallman , Phil Sainty , emacs-devel , =?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIEEuIEdvbWVz?= , Gregory Heytings , Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 30 13:20:49 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mVu7N-0006Wh-5M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 13:20:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44132 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVu7M-0000gb-51 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 07:20:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57094) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVu5b-0008FA-2a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 07:18:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pj1-x1031.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::1031]:46020) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVu5U-0005mb-4C; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 07:18:58 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pj1-x1031.google.com with SMTP id om12-20020a17090b3a8c00b0019eff43daf5so4504585pjb.4; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 04:18:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FIamgozJ2pYCcORJPpV8wK/ajWAVdcxkxuObRimE2Qs=; b=m7gjMtpFGPlc0O8tIZSnqPafWBatp4zezGfdyHYDAc3tK6sNmX6oYnBwrTEVfWsxqQ MHfM2+V3tDDzcBqI3cKEVxdp6v7pDCTsVs5bfkgo5eb6MHS1ybQTl6fBcsofOIM8crne hAahjtJgr0/cSSh9gdM4Tgj7VlcAatQtLc0HorpUv6Q7a1ER8y7MAwRu3gARIQmb5ht9 jh3lpLfW02J81/N8BvfKzIBjHpoHFK4gjLFgcXzzoUEwuk51/3E7PdmRH37jTBB1D/+A m5yUX0f1F48IXRrh9cEfkWLK7K68weTZ76tj30G512VBvBypY1NGBXMbDIgU5iSW0XGm 6aAA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FIamgozJ2pYCcORJPpV8wK/ajWAVdcxkxuObRimE2Qs=; b=tQBR/UXjrrW9yHxdA5/+EwlPBH3qjy1mHKLUa/vqPp9jhUoX3VKd5e01QDPKOiKBm8 qoXvbYrvLvQjyWTiOQbXo8eO6uw54qSesBidIUoc+ATuUXLCnjNzHdgSQK4Vu+tJDksi QW/vjjImH3i/Bg3txOC8tgIs5B+f4IY+1Oo+7coN8hOeLS2aZlT+nsxLAnWCPQbyk4G4 CDnaM3/iqjm5W2E15tjL2ts3SWthpoSLF8Ijf+pr6jBfPhtZGRSCTx4ZuD0Wd+ilh/be hdzJIiAWKTbjP/YAb++s0l16zs+zy06l6Ojk8WinUArhXVj8tYw+J9Fcfjay+SRJK/gd Aw+w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532z1HjT7r+TzxNB9HuUYfuBIavLlbiB067xh02/+rFRRk0K08gm q9FXIDSYkEgA0xD0oyu/B3ERnIGIpepngoT+zl8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwYV29jx1/2ClhGBfzhrt6xsgWKRlR3AXPtm4cBjQuhxQcblJePn8fF0de2K4TDuNfzmYmww/F2E0qD7kFUvm4= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:5a86:: with SMTP id n6mr5862591pji.3.1633000730317; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 04:18:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::1031; envelope-from=joaotavora@gmail.com; helo=mail-pj1-x1031.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_TEMPERROR=0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:275871 Archived-At: On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 11:54 AM Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > Using grep and tag systems to reason about a Lisp program is like eatin= g > > soup with a fork. You can do it, but it's the wrong tool. > > That is a very negative and unhelpful thing to say. Do you have the > requisite background to say it? Is there a "requisite background" to express opinions on this mailing list? Must have missed that memo. Jo=C3=A3o PS: Agree with Andr=C3=A9, btw. Don't know if I have the "requisite background", either.