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X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d34 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:241287 Archived-At: --0000000000001219fc0595692462 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 11:10 AM Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > not lisp data. Can you concede that, or is that still controversial? > No, I disagree. Lisp data is as much Lisp as Lisp programs. There's > no distinction in Lisp between data and code. > A lisp program file is a Lisp data file, we concur. A lisp data is _not necessarily_ a lisp program file. I.e. we have: lisp program =3D=3D> lisp data but _not_: lisp program <=3D=3D=3D> lisp data Here is another way to look at it: If this last proposition were true, we would have no problem, nothing to fix. Yet, we do. You have even provided a patch. Hence, your proposition conflicts with reality, i.e. is false. > This was also already said several times. > By you, exclusively, right? Or by someone else I missed? Jo=C3=A3o --0000000000001219fc0595692462 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 11:10 AM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:

> not lisp data. Can you concede that, or is that still controversial? No, I disagree.=C2=A0 Lisp data is as much Lisp as Lisp programs.=C2=A0 The= re's
no distinction in Lisp between data and code.

A lisp program file is a Lisp data file, we concur.
A = lisp data is _not necessarily_ a lisp program file.

I.e. we have:

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 lisp program=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =3D=3D>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 lisp data

=
but _not_:

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 lisp prog= ram=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <=3D=3D=3D> lisp data

= Here is another way to look at it: If this last proposition were true,
=
we would have no problem, nothing to fix. Yet, we do. You have
even provided a patch. Hence, your proposition conflicts with
=
reality, i.e. is false.
=C2=A0
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