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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -10 X-Spam_score: -1.1 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64=0.979, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248699 Archived-At: On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 3:45 PM Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Years of using Emacs with its superb documentation and elaborate > facilities to find stuff in that documentation caused me to be more > demanding, to expect better documentation that is easier to access > quickly. I might compromise if something like that is not available > when I'm working with other software, but I certainly don't want to > give that up when I work on Emacs! And I'm astonished to hear that > people don't _want_ the documentation we provide and the help commands > to go with it, and are willing to settle for API completion! While I agree with your stance on documentation, only recently did I start learning a bit the new `C-h` commands. Are they new-ish? For many years it was only `C-h f` and `C-h v` for me. But I don't read NEWS consistently, I admit, because it's very large and full of stuff I don't care about. Anyway travelling to the Elisp manual is usual a matter of: M-x info RET C-s elisp RET RET C-s thing-im-hopeful-to-find C-s C-s But the manual is so good that it's worth it, IMO. But if it that transfer could be made easier (maybe it already is?), that would be great. Is there a help command that brings us to the Elisp manual page on a non-command function? My point it that the manual-savvy workflow should be better advertised. Maybe some photogenic person among us could make a screencast or something, that has a lot of impact. Jo=C3=A3o