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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -10 X-Spam_score: -1.1 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64=0.979, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249566 Archived-At: On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 8:12 PM Dmitry Gutov wrote: > Our bug tracker and development workflow has no solutions to this > problem: everybody has to read every bug report and every commit message. This is good. I for one would like to spend a lot less time on Github. > Making concerted changes could become easier sometimes, but it would > also become easier to break backward compatibility. Really? Am I breaking backward compatibility all the time in Emacs? Don't we have tests? Don't we have a (crude) namespacing system for those libraries? Don't we have Eli, the ever-vigilant? And Stefan and everybody else? And weren't you the one the one who told me not to worry about that when refactoring Flymake? https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2017-08/msg00415.html > and making a change in Emacs separately is a good reminder of that separa= tion. Really, are you telling me this? Do you really think I (and other developers) need to be actively annoyed to be reminded of that? A file isn't enough separati= on? That's not the point of GNU ELPA at all. Jo=C3=A3o