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X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::729 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:231791 Archived-At: --00000000000078814c057cd6669c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 4:56 PM =C3=93scar Fuentes wrote: > > Every time I start Emacs, or everytime someone in my $DAYJOB starts Ema= cs > > after upgrading to Emacs 27. Frequent enough? > > I was asking about an heuristic to estimate the hypothetical fraction of > affected users. Something like "I know two guys on the Internet with the > same problem." > OK. So it's more like "I know 50 guys/gals in the same building." > >> What applications are those that don't admit > >> an slash after the volume letter in HOME? > >> > > > > 30-year+ old, big bad misbehaving Lisp-based applications. Kinda like > > Emacs, I suppose :-) > > Let me guess: those applications share the same runtime and/or > libraries. > Nope. No shared libraries here. Wish there were, tbh, but nope. We'd all sooner be told to start changing environment vars furiously (or never upgrade to Emacs 27) than fixing and rebuilding every such application. Jo=C3=A3o --00000000000078814c057cd6669c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 4:56 PM =C3=93scar Fuentes <ofv@wanadoo.es> wrote:
> Every time I start Emacs, or everytime someone in my $DAYJOB starts Em= acs
> after upgrading to Emacs 27.=C2=A0 Frequent enough?

I was asking about an heuristic to estimate the hypothetical fraction of affected users. Something like "I know two guys on the Internet with t= he
same problem."

OK. So it's mor= e like "I know 50 guys/gals in the same building."
= =C2=A0
>> What applications are those that don't admit
>> an slash after the volume letter in HOME?
>>
>
> 30-year+ old, big bad misbehaving Lisp-based applications.=C2=A0 Kinda= like
> Emacs, I suppose :-)

Let me guess: those applications share the same runtime and/or
libraries.

Nope. No shared libraries he= re. Wish there were, tbh, but nope.

We'd all s= ooner be told to start changing environment vars furiously
(= or never upgrade to Emacs 27) than fixing and rebuilding every
su= ch application.

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