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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -10 X-Spam_score: -1.1 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64=0.979, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249857 Archived-At: On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 7:12 PM Dmitry Gutov wrote: > > Again, not our problem. We have enough on our plate already. > > You're probably talking about yourself. GNU ELPA has largely been > Stefan's project (though other people helped). And I just want to point out, again (diverting the subject a little bit) that it is very useful, particularly because of the :core package feature that allows it to distribute reasonably stable parts of the slow-to-release Emacs version in much quicker fashion. This is kind of a game-changer, at least in my opinion, and we should be very very thankful to Stefan (and those other people :-) ) Speaking of that, as discussed earlier with Stefan and Dmitry I'm planning on making project.el, xref.el and eldoc.el be GNU ELPA :core packages, and making the Eglot package depend on them. Any objection? Jo=C3=A3o PS: back to the topic of GNU ELPA, it is true that it also has what I now see as a secondary mission, to distribute commonly used packages which the core doesn't depend on. That goal is arguably being fulfilled better by MELPA, I believe. If all that's blocking passage of a package from MELPA into ELPA is the use of s.el and similar stuff, my opinion is that we focus on a technical solution to that.