From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: My perspective as a mid-level user on pros/cons of different editors Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 13:18:14 +0100 Message-ID: References: <251c030a-ade3-e945-d7a3-77cdbebc1812@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="88080"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org" , Dmitry Gutov To: Rudi C Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed May 20 14:19:13 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jbNgn-000MoF-J0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 14:19:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35832 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jbNgm-0004od-Kt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 08:19:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38536) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jbNg4-000481-0r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 08:18:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-il1-x12b.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::12b]:41307) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jbNg3-0004a9-7V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 08:18:27 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-il1-x12b.google.com with SMTP id b71so2833571ilg.8 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 05:18:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7Dp6yANx/JkSHop7oVhPhEWDbylV8J6neETH5wMcMDo=; b=cw6FVzgZJNstkA6Ya+fQOO4/eSC4zMGSldvNhglKD0K/4R2H+J5C3Tix2M4FdfGDcG Of4YpFVVRv+TMjh8aPU0uG2sDuVllrziuQ1f4S106MDhXWS0wtvz7zS1y7XqviDXXqxe ltGcSTIRgw8XFyYdyd9+tPKMiTCNyjnBdzifFdSZZRIBfGkFJ01HS6Tzz8BYuSvAc5SW p1z2lUyzp8NgTZfJdkTcQkVZ/3NSgl33rdQqEEHov+MY9xvwV2SrM2qZawyQEJQD6jql L6rABqWhhYbNVTtINFvPgeiqybwRXociSEb2ejBbAQstvFwoO7xeAHL/oO6xV1hpTGVZ c2oQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7Dp6yANx/JkSHop7oVhPhEWDbylV8J6neETH5wMcMDo=; b=MhCUcJ4wba6NMzdOsdF1FeR8X+t+gaLpdR/RJZyURdMPiCUskfq6JBjydVVHfBH4N5 Oy+Udabt/rPmsVNncWJ5g9os6KwU8W4lMwM4lCcB/agohJ+uufGWUlxLgrptJiL4w2bU 2fX+Y0cbOMuxWSDT6PhrumAr6vfj2Hk+BJBIsx1KJegRuk/RP5/l0+ulaZQPryZaQ4gP MPC8VhWuMaLlnlRSZZgMpGfmFvDyvx7Uy0gjHmpEEa6kj25FwIY9gm4UDIUUtuEUB3Uq ++ZdnplltZWjjRP4gRYSt59yGEaDBu5RzLA3jSJm2TSWw62Pqh+6aBpKFlxNL7ylrwIq xErA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533WKuFxsoJa/g65YVDZcijgYyWHk8cuPdmJtUOZxGfX0tm2S/rR 4RTWhiZVRU6M9Nf8rWF7n8r7AXibXtmeprXgS6c= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwIBLwpAoXIxPY6ti9wE1DLEL3UMRX0QgI5drRXQcsE0YxslOVN/K8meMIKcqx76o68ye4tFtu27s2r55bHRpo= X-Received: by 2002:a92:485d:: with SMTP id v90mr3431359ila.125.1589977105642; Wed, 20 May 2020 05:18:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::12b; envelope-from=joaotavora@gmail.com; helo=mail-il1-x12b.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -10 X-Spam_score: -1.1 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64=0.979, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251031 Archived-At: On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 12:35 PM Rudi C w= rote: > > I was happy with the verilog-mode! It was great! I mean it didn't have ma= ny IDE features (just syntax highlighting?) but that was all I needed. I am= saying emacs is good for this stuff! :D > I have not tried eglot. I imagined it would not be different from the lsp= clients set up by Spacemacs and Doom. (My experience with Spacemacs' lsp s= upport was nightmarish. The nonfunctional, intrusive, slow lsp kept activat= ing itself even when disabled. I had to exclude all lsp packages and even t= hen sometimes lsp showed up. :| ) I'm trying eglot out now. :-) But even if= it is good, I think it's important that such core functionality be given f= irst-class support. Neovim has also adopted this approach, and is rolling i= ts own builtin lsp client despite already having a few clients. Hi Rudi, your write-up is very interesting, and your ideas about LSP seem to converge with mine, more or less. Indeed, maybe Eglot shouldn't exist at all, it should just be built-in Emacs functionality. But that's for later. For now, l'm interested in your feedback on Eglot, either here or in its Github tracker. Jo=C3=A3o