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From: "João Távora" <joaotavora@gmail.com>
To: Andrea Corallo <acorallo@gnu.org>
Cc: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Code for cond*
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2024 10:42:34 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALDnm51H-3vPJLEm40YbX5K559O7mRTxeXg5hG0no73y2Wu4gw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yp1ttnave7z.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org>

On Thu, Jan 18, 2024 at 3:44 PM Andrea Corallo <acorallo@gnu.org> wrote:

> apologies if it was discussed already, wanted to ask: what is the reason
> for some of these cond* clauses to keep the binding in effect outside
> the clause itself and for the whole cond* construct?  At first glance it
> doesn't look very idiomatic in Lisp terms to me.

I think I asked the same, and Drew Adams and Adam Porter also
raised this point:

   https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2023-12/msg00554.html
   https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2023-12/msg00618.html

and I'm not sure we eventually clarified it.  Apologies if I missed
some email addressing it as I'm not following this discussion in
detail.

Also, since cond* does a strict subset of what pcase does, has any
thought been given to implementing 'cond*' _on top_ of 'pcase', like
some systems define 'cond' in terms of 'if' (or vice versa)?

Not meant as gratuitous provocation, really.  I think it'd have advantages:

* presumably every cond* feature can be supported (if indeed I'm right
  about the "strict subset")

* it would probably save a lot of repeated code

* it would make it easy for those who can already read pcase
  to just macroexpand the cond* form and see what it is actually
  doing underneath.

So could actually facilitate the adoption path for 'cond*' (as
questionable as that path may still be, at least for some parties).

João



  reply	other threads:[~2024-01-19 10:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 134+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-18  3:37 Code for cond* Richard Stallman
2024-01-18  4:59 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-01-20  3:39   ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-24 12:37     ` Po Lu
2024-01-24 19:12     ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-01-27  3:35       ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-18 15:44 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-01-19 10:42   ` João Távora [this message]
2024-01-21  3:04     ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-21 20:05       ` Adam Porter
2024-01-22  5:32         ` tomas
2024-01-23 13:39         ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-24  6:02           ` Po Lu
2024-01-24  9:48       ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-24 10:09         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-01-24 11:30         ` João Távora
2024-01-24 12:08           ` João Távora
2024-01-24 12:09         ` Po Lu
2024-01-24 12:22           ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-01-24 12:33             ` Po Lu
2024-01-24 13:34               ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-01-24 13:52                 ` João Távora
2024-01-24 14:31                   ` Po Lu
2024-01-27  3:35                   ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-27  3:35                   ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-24 14:07                 ` Po Lu
2024-01-24 14:20                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-01-24 14:34                     ` Po Lu
2024-01-24 14:44                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-01-24 14:47                         ` João Távora
2024-01-24 15:28                         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-01-24 16:30                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-01-24 16:34                             ` Emanuel Berg
2024-01-25  9:06                           ` Po Lu
2024-01-25  9:55                             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-01-25 10:38                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-25 11:29                               ` Po Lu
2024-01-25 12:04                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-01-25 13:32                                   ` Po Lu
2024-01-25 14:08                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2024-01-25 13:19                                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-01-25 13:43                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-01-25 14:31                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-25 15:02                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-01-25 15:29                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-25 15:33                                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-01-25 15:50                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-25 16:01                                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-01-25 16:13                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-25 15:40                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-01-25 10:30                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-25 11:27                               ` Emanuel Berg
2024-01-24 12:15         ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-01-24 12:28           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-01-25  9:10           ` Po Lu
2024-01-25 11:56             ` Emanuel Berg
2024-01-25 13:21               ` Po Lu
2024-01-25 13:56                 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-01-25 23:32           ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-20  3:39   ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-23 18:10 ` Stefan Monnier via Emacs development discussions.
2024-01-24  4:49   ` JD Smith
2024-01-24  9:45     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-24 15:29       ` JD Smith
2024-01-24 15:55         ` Stefan Monnier
2024-01-24 16:02           ` Stefan Monnier
2024-01-24 16:20           ` JD Smith
2024-01-24 17:08             ` Stefan Monnier
2024-01-24 16:35           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-01-24 16:30     ` Drew Adams
2024-02-01  8:56       ` Madhu
2024-02-01 22:46         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-01-25  3:16     ` Madhu
2024-01-25 13:57       ` Stefan Monnier
2024-01-25 15:17         ` JD Smith
2024-01-25 15:37           ` JD Smith
2024-01-25 15:44             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-01-25 16:00               ` JD Smith
2024-01-25 16:05               ` Stefan Monnier
2024-01-25 16:12                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-01-25 16:20                   ` Stefan Monnier
2024-01-25 16:33                   ` JD Smith
2024-01-29  3:19             ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-26  4:30   ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-28  3:06     ` Stefan Monnier via Emacs development discussions.
2024-01-30  3:59       ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-30 13:02         ` Stefan Monnier
2024-02-23  3:04           ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-26  4:30   ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-28  4:16     ` Stefan Monnier via Emacs development discussions.
2024-01-31  3:32       ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-31 13:20         ` Stefan Monnier
2024-02-03  3:32           ` Richard Stallman
2024-02-03  6:09             ` Stefan Monnier
2024-02-03  6:48               ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-04  4:46               ` Richard Stallman
2024-02-04 14:04                 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-02-04  4:46               ` Richard Stallman
2024-02-04 13:58                 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-02-13  0:48                 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-02-13  2:27                   ` Stefan Monnier
2024-02-14 11:16                   ` Richard Stallman
2024-02-14 12:45                     ` Stefan Monnier
2024-02-22  3:05                       ` Richard Stallman
2024-02-22  4:08                         ` Stefan Monnier
2024-02-25  3:14                           ` Richard Stallman
2024-02-25 15:03                             ` Stefan Monnier
2024-02-29  3:50                               ` Richard Stallman
2024-02-29 18:07                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-02-29  3:50                               ` Richard Stallman
2024-02-13  0:41         ` Stefan Monnier
2024-02-23  3:04           ` Richard Stallman
2024-02-23 13:39             ` Stefan Monnier
2024-02-25  3:16               ` Richard Stallman
2024-02-25 14:57                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-02-25 15:38                   ` Stefan Monnier
2024-02-25 16:42                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-02-25 17:13                       ` Stefan Monnier
2024-02-25 17:22                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-02-25 17:46                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-02-25 18:13                         ` Stefan Monnier
2024-02-25 17:10                 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-02-27  3:11                   ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-24 12:39 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-01-24 14:43   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-01-24 16:25   ` Manuel Giraud via Emacs development discussions.
2024-01-25 14:01   ` Code for cond* - cond*-match, cond*-subpat and backtrack-aliases Alan Mackenzie
2024-01-29  3:19     ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-29 12:16       ` JD Smith
2024-02-01  3:51         ` Richard Stallman
2024-02-01 14:54           ` JD Smith
2024-02-04  4:42             ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-29  3:19     ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-29  8:54       ` Andreas Schwab

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