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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312736 Archived-At: On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 3:03=E2=80=AFPM Po Lu wrote: > > Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > > So take care and learn loop or don't, I don't care. > > Then there's no point in continuing, is there? Because my intent was to > arrive at a consensus agreeable to me and others who resent the > pervasiveness of cl-loop, and that of like contrivances in general. > > If you're insular enough to never accept anything in that vein, then no > consensus can be established, If there's anything "frivolous" and "insular" here, it's this rococo arguin= g of style matters, full of unfounded adjectivation, not even comparing to any actual code or working alternatives. This is Lisp, it has macros. Like= C++ has templates. I use both when I think there is an advantage. C programme= rs naturally don't like any of those, some of them think the preprocessor is t= ruly the chef's kiss. I don't judge them, it's useless. In the other thread ev= en the very idea of a sequence processing library was aberrant to you. What c= an I say? Just that it's not for me to judge, not even worth my time Again: take care and learn loop, cl-position, seq.el, pcase, or don't. Though I don't use your code, I think you're doing important contributions to Emacs, keep it up. I won't be a jury in the silly code beauty pageant. Really I won't, and neither should you if you want a piece of advice. Jo=C3=A3o