From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: BIKESHED: completion faces Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 21:54:27 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4c5631d4-9dfd-04c6-c573-b83c67fcc2fa@yandex.ru> <87pni7p83l.fsf@gmail.com> <0dfe2dad-240e-e24e-2b29-f849db76f7bc@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000097e4700596a07aab" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="83039"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 05 23:04:58 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iS6wb-000LSh-IG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 23:04:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50844 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iS6wa-0000jE-7g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 17:04:56 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53844) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iS6mf-0000pL-LQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 16:54:43 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iS6me-0004Hq-DH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 16:54:41 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-il1-x133.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::133]:41273) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iS6me-0004HI-7t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 16:54:40 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-il1-x133.google.com with SMTP id z10so19718869ilo.8 for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 13:54:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=I5+7NRKEkvhw4PdE5uTVphP4XCWR6m3+NNTMpBOIDrk=; b=sw79HUdlumaqroJcyvAqigIHgQNSQ3NX8WAeiVBrMuMGA8UgGz39hKCyISbXEgKI5A wCVcUVm4Nk8L4MZ180WURlfSGEBxMo5IVT9/GXKJtlv6k2VHsKkRTHD8bNKaqL99onEJ pmnr8OMz1tGQzjbFS/GLoaW/6S3HChLd2VCVVAPoIFEc54iMfJwHp4pDWRXDoC+kub6g e2hmRhoRvMFidd6tTKrbH58mqNfrYWtxTwT4f5p6xnwl8tbggrRlJiVaCTVCccT2lj9m 1xUFIspifrR6tPI3g+nCB3djaqnMii8Mt0Kc8SAJs8p/eVoVpXU1T+8iM/dOVcpkbY3S 1l9A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=I5+7NRKEkvhw4PdE5uTVphP4XCWR6m3+NNTMpBOIDrk=; b=l3whbsfRYVcVE7j1773uUQt0P0RQfC1QPMcR5wy69BFjfT9uPASLRus71yGXXO0EaE zuk8DYPl5kgqWN/nFJR4NkEwe4RzEcVJ8Mvvno6raKj9CgllcH4d1Qz2X45kAhSTz2jp xsb5QA2/dcp/zqirp1yCv2cDTZqLihOd43KWv2yj4YKa2RuigpACqqX6dcdO7yiWxKkf Xwf4y3MwqPOyZ7eQ2zabTmsdlSxYvIwFK1gj5UJhJ6pvKSXnNgKgdzB5ccHYEqyh1qAu 9fG1o5Ee2aH2LkUNTU1wXHoDV3toXr6KOanzJzhVDu+b6djylufZSCgsubmS0pjtCcPY 76tA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVN1+WgsEqDvVYmjC2dSpNDqlSn0hMxjSOSpd9HIScWBe+iPJv2 734MaIbEDSV272d5t1TTIXsmlwQUDo4/4SmobNI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzLMCrvRljd8IuhNWJ72ndCYyVg3zy470m+KK8Ktv+GX9NopVFWe5BG6kEDnXR24QjNNjot5kaSHwJP5T5do5M= X-Received: by 2002:a92:9f1c:: with SMTP id u28mr34577446ili.97.1572990879260; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 13:54:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <0dfe2dad-240e-e24e-2b29-f849db76f7bc@yandex.ru> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::133 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:241826 Archived-At: --00000000000097e4700596a07aab Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 9:39 PM Dmitry Gutov wrote: > I do believe first-difference continues to play a useful role. > Especially in situations where input's suffix is non-empty. Those are relatively rare. But yes, it plays an important secondary role there. It should just be named differently after that secondary importance, maybe even using the word "secondary". > > > BTW, what do "typical" other systems use as highlight for the > > > common part? Is there enough agreement there that it's worth trying to > > > pay attention to it (kinda like the "blue" for hyperlink convention)= ? > > > > Company uses the same face for flex and common, a drab red > > that is barely visible against the default yellow. But it's consistent= . > I think it's quite visible. If you have problems with its contrast, > please file an issue. I'm surprised, though, since I generally prefer > higher-contrast themes. I could use a better contrast yes. But by "barely" visible, I was trying to express that I _can_ still recognize it. But it's really the threshold: Stefan's blue3 foreground is beyond it, it's no good. I'll open an issue if I find some better default. I don't understand why we don't take cues from systems where actual professional UI designers, veritable color-theme scholars, are probably employed. Don't we have some of those in our ranks? -- Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora --00000000000097e4700596a07aab Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 9:39 PM Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> wrote:

> I do = believe first-difference continues to play a useful role.
> Especiall= y in situations where input's suffix is non-empty.

Those are relatively rare.
But yes, it plays an important seco= ndary role there.=C2=A0 It should just
be named differently = after that secondary importance, maybe
even using the word &= quot;secondary".

> > =C2=A0> BTW, wha= t do "typical" other systems use as highlight for the
> >= ; =C2=A0> common part?=C2=A0 Is there enough agreement there that it'= ;s worth trying to
> > =C2=A0> pay attention to it (kinda like = the "blue" for hyperlink convention)?
> >
> > C= ompany uses the same face for flex and common, a drab red
> > that= is barely visible against the default yellow.=C2=A0 But it's consisten= t.
> I think it's quite visible. If you have problems with its co= ntrast,
> please file an issue. I'm surprised, though, since I ge= nerally prefer
> higher-contrast themes.

I could use a better contrast yes.=C2=A0 But by "barely" visibl= e, I was trying
to express that I _can_ still recognize it.=C2=A0= But it's really the threshold:
Stefan's blue3 foreg= round is beyond it, it's no good. I'll open an issue
if I= find some better default.

I don't underst= and why we don't take cues from systems where
actual professi= onal UI designers, veritable color-theme scholars,
are probably e= mployed.=C2=A0 Don't we have some of those in our
ranks?=

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