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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255848 Archived-At: --0000000000006d19f005af6b42e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:50 AM wrote: > On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:36:23AM +0100, Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 6:15 AM Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > > > > > following recent discussions I've started toying with what I've > pushed > > > on > > > scratch/modern-mode. > > > > > > What some find modern, some will find old. What some find old, some > > > will find modern. What was once modern will become old again, and > > > what was old again will become modern. > > > > > > A different name would be more appropriate > > > > > > Yup, this is really obvious to me, too (*) I seem to remember that > > other packages don't have a lot of problems naming some > > features "fancy". Does "fancy" have a negative connotation? > > De Luxe? > > But more seriously: what I have learnt from all this discussion > is that we'll need more than one of those. > > Those modes are often opinionated (they have to). So it's better > if the mode's opinions align with those of the user.\ > Good point: these are opinionated things by nature, so they should be named as themes are, somewhat freely according to the vision of their authors. This also reveals that the thing shouldn't be called a "mode" at all. It should be done with custom-themes and if that proves a limitation, then custom-themes have to be improved, maybe even reinvented. Jo=C3=A3o --0000000000006d19f005af6b42e9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:50 AM <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:36:23AM +0100, Jo=C3=A3o T= =C3=A1vora wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 6:15 AM Alfred M. Szmidt <ams@gnu.org> wrote:
>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 following recent discussions I've started toying= with what I've pushed
> > on
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 scratch/modern-mode.
> >
> > What some find modern, some will find old.=C2=A0 What some find o= ld, some
> > will find modern.=C2=A0 What was once modern will become old agai= n, and
> > what was old again will become modern.
> >
> > A different name would be more appropriate
>
>
> Yup, this is really obvious to me, too (*)=C2=A0 I seem to remember th= at
> other packages don't have a lot of problems naming some
> features "fancy".=C2=A0 Does "fancy" have a negati= ve connotation?

De Luxe?

But more seriously: what I have learnt from all this discussion
is that we'll need more than one of those.

Those modes are often opinionated (they have to). So it's better
if the mode's opinions align with those of the user.\
<= /div>
Good point: these are opinionated things by nature= , so they
should be named as themes are, somewhat freely accordin= g
to the vision of their authors. This also reveals that the=
thing shouldn't be called a "mode" at all. It= should be done
with custom-themes and if that proves a limitatio= n, then
custom-themes have to be improved, maybe even reinve= nted.

Jo=C3=A3o

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