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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -10 X-Spam_score: -1.1 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64=0.979, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251036 Archived-At: On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 2:05 PM Dmitry Gutov wrote: > > On 20.05.2020 16:01, Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora wrote: > > But, I suppose it means it shouldn't be an afterthought, as it seems > > now, an appendix. > > Is it? I can't answer for Rudi, but it does IMO. Having to say "yes I want to use LSP" in some way either via something called "lsp-mode" or by using a peculiarly named package, is very much appendix-like. A non-appendix view would be: "I want to work on my Python, C++, Go program" and go do that, not caring about what was going on underneath at all, LSP, treesitter, CC-mode if-then-elses, you name it. Jo=C3=A3o --=20 Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora