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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -10 X-Spam_score: -1.1 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64=0.979, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250792 Archived-At: On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 6:15 PM Stefan Monnier w= rote: > The "critical path" is rather on the ideological side, on the "so many > steps, so much time" side Those are quite two different sides. And yes I agree the "ideological side" is very relevant here, I've said it before. > (send an email to emacs-devel, then get an > email in return, the send an email to the FSF, then Yes, the hard life of sending email back and forth. As evidenced by zillion-mail-long threads about the subject. > signing is a just a small part of it compared to all the waiting), and > last but not least on getting the employer to sign its part. My employer didn't sign anything back in 2012 oir 2011 or something like that. I just answered a questionnaire, I think, stating that the employer had no claim over the software. And if there's no impediments, I think patch reviews can proceed while all that waiting is going on . In my case I did it for yasnippet and I didn't stop contributing to it while I was waiting for the paperwork to come in. I disagree with you, Stefan, I think the "critical path" lies in the engineering bits. As you said: integration is hard. Jo=C3=A3o