From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Park Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Call for testing: Daily snapshot builds of Emacs for Ubuntu Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 14:32:28 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87wqr3fdr6.fsf@dex.adm.naquadah.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1368480802 16215 80.91.229.3 (13 May 2013 21:33:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 21:33:22 +0000 (UTC) To: Robert Park , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 13 23:33:21 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Uc0My-0000Ai-Dw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 May 2013 23:33:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50536 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uc0My-0001mU-11 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 May 2013 17:33:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59940) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uc0Mr-0001gA-7j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 May 2013 17:33:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uc0Mn-0003nd-EN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 May 2013 17:33:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ie0-x22d.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22d]:35836) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uc0Mn-0003nT-9c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 May 2013 17:33:09 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ie0-f173.google.com with SMTP id k5so13487682iea.32 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 14:33:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=CjSGtzAfS/0uBy2zvGEGjrY6xNPEhikhU2vAf3Q2w7I=; b=EoUyk6ZmTwthgcZRMmQtcHgjM6PJnJJblj5ebtElG0YT3+rZlGrCieXGnGHN9Sjpyp dAARN95K0JyEiwqG0RUHkp3k1ik9lWsLpXI7/Ymj+OFqToKZ8gBKy7sY2/o98y1ta0pV fp4PSvQZomdVJBxI5DSnf6jPPJ2TgRDj/FFHW7yjUvSj59iEPZU1Fi81DTw93aPRArH8 3HNyQguDFYwAOVaL/LwsFGKF7qaZDTPUlU4XlyFbtnC2t3S/Cgwb6FspPY3MU2Zi8YDu GSIgY1uME3utNh3WIJedlHL7sxNjmIQ/qZ+li6u4JJFLA/k4cmueeNgEDs+vjf2dEIno YCgQ== X-Received: by 10.50.17.166 with SMTP id p6mr88835igd.12.1368480788330; Mon, 13 May 2013 14:33:08 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.64.8.46 with HTTP; Mon, 13 May 2013 14:32:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87wqr3fdr6.fsf@dex.adm.naquadah.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6NgYELSjZs0qA_W_fIAHvOLn5M0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22d X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:159550 Archived-At: On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Julien Danjou wrote: > On Sun, May 12 2013, Robert Park wrote: >> You may be familiar with the snapshot packaging work done by Damien >> Cassou; however his method is largely to build by hand once every >> couple weeks, I am using Launchpad recipes to achieve the same thing >> every day, in an entirely automated fashion. > > As far as I know, Damien used the packaging I maintain at: > > http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=3Dusers/acid/emacs-snapshot.git;a= =3Dsummary What's this then? Is this a debian package dedicated to emacs snapshots? I honestly wasn't aware of this branch at all; I'd been referring to the packaging for emacs24 that ubuntu imports from debian. >> To achieve this, I have written all new packaging metadata from >> scratch, discarding many years of legacy cruft from the debian build >> system (where the debian packaging weighs in at 4900 lines of code, I >> have nearly achieved feature parity with only 1495 lines of code). > > Ok, this claim makes me smile. The actual Debian packaging is not 4900 > lines. Sure, the files in debian/ are around that number of lines=E2=80= =A6 with > a ChangeLog files of 3325. There isn't that much code at all, even the > debian/rules file is only 400 SLOC long. Hmmm, nope. The debian/rules that I've been referring to is 629 lines (compared to 166 for mine). So it seems we are talking about different things ;-) Admittedly I did come up with that original figure by doing a quickndirty 'find|xargs wc -l' and it did include the changelog, there's still a lot of cruft that I am rebelling against. Like 800 lines worth of distropatching just to rip out some GFDL stuff. I find that kind of thing quite odious and pride myself on having a packaging branch that has no distropatches at all ;-) > That said, what's the reason for you not to try to improve the already > existing and working code? One of my major goals was Upstream Purity, so that people testing the packages would be having an unadulterated trunk experience, hopefully making bug reports more relevant and timely. Both the packaging branch that you've linked and the one I've been referring to for emacs24 contain a huge load of distropatches. Now, I'm not opposed to porting some of the work I've done to improve the existing packages, just that on the whole I was a bit overwhelmed by the size of the existing packages and wanted to make something leaner. I'm quite pleased with what I've achieved and I'm using it every day, I uninstalled emacs24 package over a month ago and haven't looked back ;-)