From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alexander Shukaev Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: req-package Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 21:25:16 +0200 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1439666744 26205 80.91.229.3 (15 Aug 2015 19:25:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 19:25:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs , edvorg@gmail.com, Stefan Monnier To: John Wiegley Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 15 21:25:36 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZQh5D-0004lb-EJ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 15 Aug 2015 21:25:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50664 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZQh5C-0005fj-AN for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 15 Aug 2015 15:25:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45801) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZQh4y-0005bY-Dq for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Aug 2015 15:25:21 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZQh4x-0001Oj-3C for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Aug 2015 15:25:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-la0-x233.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c03::233]:36370) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZQh4w-0001OU-R5 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Aug 2015 15:25:19 -0400 Original-Received: by lagz9 with SMTP id z9so59533905lag.3 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 2015 12:25:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=htVFG6M+QWo7n7F3SO6b3a7g5vKuz13BRnsn7YY+Wg4=; b=KxyXtXMXW6GNCIPrtDsDRK+H23WI559VnB5p6+PoxxiJSkDPPqPOYrR6TzDlLaFfof /LVYgt1PmA5kGkipMwC9zH7O3ct9NW9Koq+4FnSuWoxmxqr0PLBfXD62DKA0TKRPjD8y 9XsRDYcuNYkbRbzi74N9xcdZgLYWsrdj+jOBo/1akzdpTIDCwJofaqGooyROE7UpRYNS 8n+QjdLgbdI+cYdN/BqYf0Lwt4cziMkSB8VXKbe0KNP9ZOuLiSSw7eatSneEdIlAyEf7 K6UUZUr9Idv6FcT1N4IQa0Er4XaLoZkUzpI2+tj7d4fuedCxgYQAxtOrqlg9L192Jcgf boYA== X-Received: by 10.112.171.68 with SMTP id as4mr49580693lbc.64.1439666716810; Sat, 15 Aug 2015 12:25:16 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.112.34.17 with HTTP; Sat, 15 Aug 2015 12:25:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c03::233 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:106612 Archived-At: >>> I'm not sure about pull requesting to use package, because its author >>> wanted to keep use package simple, last time I talked to him. > >> Maybe we could try to involve him into this discussion once again as your >> initial feature with dependency/order management and now this one would >> absolutely blow away the plain naked `use-package'. As I said before, plain >> `use-package' is just sugar and convenience rather than a "smart" tool for >> package management. > > I believe there are ways we can integrate the development, while allow the > feature work to proceed separately. This is partly why I re-designed > use-package in 2.0: so new functionality would not require maintenance (by me) > in core, since others rely on features that I never use, and hence would never > test. Yes, indeed, I totally understand this rationale. The 2.0 is very well redesigned in terms of extensibility; thanks a lot for your effort. Still, I believe it would be to the benefit of the majority to give `req-package' a shot and seek to add it as an optional functionality to `use-package' while relying on the existing 2.0 framework. > So I'd love to examine whether req-package and use-package can be integrated, > such that we each work on our respective parts, while users can benefit from > both. That's wonderful! By the way, the issue [http://github.com/edvorg/req-package/issues/18] corresponding to this thread has been updated. Feel free to join the discussion. Regards, Alexander