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charset="UTF-8" This makes sense, thanks for taking the time to explain this in detail. On Thu, 5 Sept 2024 at 11:10, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Krystian Samp > > Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2024 09:44:14 +0200 > > Cc: philipk@posteo.net, 72961@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > Thanks, > > > > imho it'd be also useful to add there that Emacs will make the installed > packages available automatically at > > startup. Now it reads that Emacs will add them to `load-path` but I > wouldn't infer from this that Emacs will also > > make these packages available. And right after that we say that "... > making the above manual customizations > > unnecessary for such packages" which specifically refers to loading, not > only adding to `load-path`. Just two > > cents, > > All of this is already described in the node "Package Installation", > to which this node points. Cross-references in the manual are there > for a reason: interested readers are expected to follow them and to > read what the referenced nodes say. We don't have the same > information in more than one place in the manual because that would > make it a maintenance burden: all of those places have to be found and > updated when something changes. Our conventions are to describe each > feature in full in a single place, and then have cross-references to > that one place in other related places. > > So I decided not to expand on this more in the sections which is only > tangentially related to package installation. This text is there so > as to avoid creating an impression that what this node describes must > be done for packages installed via package.el. It doesn't (and should > not) pretend to describe installation via package.el. > --0000000000009f318406215bd761 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This makes sense, thanks for taking the time to explain th= is in detail.

On Thu, 5 Sept 2024 at 11:10, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> From: Krystian Samp <samp.krystian@gmail.com>= ;
> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2024 09:44:14 +0200
> Cc: philipk@po= steo.net, 72= 961@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> Thanks,
>
> imho it'd be also useful to add there that Emacs will make the ins= talled packages available automatically at
> startup. Now it reads that Emacs will add them to `load-path` but I wo= uldn't infer from this that Emacs will also
> make these packages available. And right after that we say that "= ... making the above manual customizations
> unnecessary for such packages" which specifically refers to loadi= ng, not only adding to `load-path`. Just two
> cents,

All of this is already described in the node "Package Installation&quo= t;,
to which this node points.=C2=A0 Cross-references in the manual are there for a reason: interested readers are expected to follow them and to
read what the referenced nodes say.=C2=A0 We don't have the same
information in more than one place in the manual because that would
make it a maintenance burden: all of those places have to be found and
updated when something changes.=C2=A0 Our conventions are to describe each<= br> feature in full in a single place, and then have cross-references to
that one place in other related places.

So I decided not to expand on this more in the sections which is only
tangentially related to package installation.=C2=A0 This text is there so as to avoid creating an impression that what this node describes must
be done for packages installed via package.el.=C2=A0 It doesn't (and sh= ould
not) pretend to describe installation via package.el.
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