From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luca Ferrari Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs history, and "Is Emacs difficult to learn?" Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 17:19:54 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87y58pplcp.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <87fvuwgsv0.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <075751cf-97a3-4d01-8fb1-4ffbc0180f3f@googlegroups.com> <878v0oxfdw.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <87a9l4rs76.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <39e6407d-c4fd-4dc1-b47f-a1ba4119c7cb@googlegroups.com> <87iozqzjjq.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <877gg5pka0.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1375370413 17830 80.91.229.3 (1 Aug 2013 15:20:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 15:20:13 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 01 17:20:15 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V4ufn-0002u8-Mu for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 17:20:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53372 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V4ufn-000408-9V for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 11:20:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38759) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V4ufY-0003v2-Hr for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 11:20:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V4ufU-0006o5-1F for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 11:20:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wg0-x244.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c00::244]:43215) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V4ufT-0006np-S0 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 11:19:55 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wg0-f68.google.com with SMTP id n11so731588wgh.11 for ; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 08:19:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=sAbdvc9VXhZwrb/Q8Ec1o2rO0DZbiVB5jodSOk/0yA8=; b=nxZvcWLL71tzhA2i8mqiEYINmufSA7uQM6Qvy2k4THcjYkdHbqioMAnbhBbaMWvBP8 j0d/IgmeijxOaHSGyX3Us5G46ERD5Skbr6hK1ove8vV0NoYjy2PojP9qzcOdrjpcAUkH FJ80w1RXEM4g2gDZUuA7OsmO7eHiTaAvlOJSXHpWyclf0rJGVSWd4mH/+sW4i1fqczlm xp+CCFp2QAbdLhc8VURTnT0fnQ4TAFGkG7PZYNVmSGute3k9Q97+lZEybYziR+eztPOM 0dKaCq3vRmuZoWd2yXCF01asRVccOImVkhIQ1RrQlPChE10LHgI7Lo6DzHXhnLnjMLiI mPAA== X-Received: by 10.194.87.9 with SMTP id t9mr1778272wjz.39.1375370394977; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 08:19:54 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.194.157.194 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 08:19:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <877gg5pka0.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> X-Google-Sender-Auth: JiNeZSWdHpladcr1GALZvg-eJkQ X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c00::244 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:92625 Archived-At: On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: > Isn't a thesis something LaTeX would be the natural choice for, > with its from-the-shelf support for a ToC, headers (of all sorts), > footnotes, references, etc.? Of which so much is automated to a > very high degree? > Yes, but maybe for something in the science field, while for other types of thesis org mode can be a more gentle approach to editing very large documents. > Yes, I think videos are great for this! At least if the person who > makes the video has the real Emacs fingers, moving the cursor at > Jedi-master speed, killing, yanking, filling, other window, > reading mail, sending a Usenet post, evaluating some Elisp defun, > 1-2-3, KO. Irresistible to any and all true techno-warriors. > +1 For the average non-emacs users a video tutorial or demo is surely something much more interesting than a wiki. Most of us buy what we see, not what is under the hood. Luca