From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gavin Smith Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#18308: 24.4.50; Info viewer cannot follow menu entry for '(texinfo) @- @hyphenation' Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 21:12:06 +0100 Message-ID: References: <80wqa132j3.fsf@gmail.com> <83d2btav4x.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1408738406 644 80.91.229.3 (22 Aug 2014 20:13:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 20:13:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Vincent =?UTF-8?Q?Bela=C3=AFche?= , 18308@debbugs.gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 22 22:13:19 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XKvD2-00069W-2Y for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 22:13:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39051 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XKvD1-0002cc-Ej for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 16:13:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52864) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XKvCt-0002bS-Le for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 16:13:12 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XKvCo-0003V1-RJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 16:13:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:42851) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XKvCo-0003Ux-Na for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 16:13:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XKvCo-0003oI-3U for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 16:13:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Gavin Smith Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 20:13:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18308 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 18308-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18308.140873833314567 (code B ref 18308); Fri, 22 Aug 2014 20:13:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 18308) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Aug 2014 20:12:13 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49794 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XKvC1-0003mt-0h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 16:12:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ig0-f178.google.com ([209.85.213.178]:46177) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XKvBz-0003mf-Ha for 18308@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 16:12:12 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ig0-f178.google.com with SMTP id uq10so236698igb.5 for <18308@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 13:12:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=8DwnKPNA+ja6nlSh3ZBa/2+x6ZpeJ/f4pA/sR7UnaOo=; b=K/rkkpf8eXf4y1oCuw23BMRdmOtlWs9J8siv+gkS9rsYqrftyvvVl4/Hu2GJ6Swei5 ppYG8WkMw4Jfig3bJ8KYeEsQI1eCU2jhNCpMAZAAZ/+H7RgUwP2GSwckYAIBpRSK+Bcx RjehzbsS+PGnMJRMRCmcAAeH7jRTfkatuYK2LMjyoP7flH/utIgVcMjrveifqW0ukhLB CKCaZHSTmOaGdPZhzJ2tFWQPANJpelBO3rWwwB0oye/hku8Jqsc+cW6G4BcOh3KAT0U8 eevFmttwEMF0UAVCjQOchoosdXHpNRGme+1p/AYfUmEBSMwCYJIAIJDaDHqsrUfz6+dB d2AA== X-Received: by 10.50.115.73 with SMTP id jm9mr774887igb.3.1408738326085; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 13:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.107.133.76 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 13:12:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:92612 Archived-At: On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > I think the real fix for this sort of thing is to develop > a replacement for the Info reader which uses HTML. > That's why I was enthusiastic about that project when it was announced. Somebody would have to define how HTML should be used for Texinfo manuals, e.g.: * Naming of HTML files for references between nodes and files * How indices should be expressed * What version of HTML, what constructs are allowed. * Where these files are to be stored in the filesystem There's a chance for incompatibilities here as well, especially if a wide range of HTML features is allowed (or JavaScript or CSS). Authors of generating programs would have to be encouraged to stick within the approved dialect. Compatibility for different web browsers has been an ongoing issue for web page writers. I don't see the point in writing a browser to read a dialect of HTML used for Texinfo manuals when there are already many web browsers out there. At the same time I'd like to continue to be able to type "info" at the command line and get a similar user interface to current, which I think existing terminal web browsers couldn't provide for every detail. I don't think compatibility between Info-generating and reading programs is a great reason to use HTML instead. It can't be worse than worrying about how HTML will appear in dozens of different versions of web browsers. Are there reasons to use HTML other than compatiblity? For example, if users would prefer to access locally-installed documentation in a web browser (instead of using the web browser to look at the manual over the Internet, or reading it in emacs or in a terminal emulator), maybe HTML documentation could be installed in a standard location when packages are installed. An idea I just had is there could be a locally running documentation webserver daemon that could serve this documentation, as a kind of "local web app".