From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gavin Smith Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#13965: info.info conflict between emacs and texinfo Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 23:28:06 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20130318230008.GD31358@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> <86d2uwl2mu.fsf@frenzy.freefriends.org> <8761276fgh.fsf@igel.home> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1445121103 32428 80.91.229.3 (17 Oct 2015 22:31:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 22:31:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Karl Berry , Andreas Schwab , Texinfo , 13965@debbugs.gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 18 00:31:30 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zna0e-0003ZF-3r for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 00:31:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59971 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zna0d-0000ER-CH for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 18:31:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58840) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnZyL-0008TS-K8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 18:29:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnZyI-0004R4-EC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 18:29:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:35714) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnZyI-0004R0-BS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 18:29:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnZyH-00079Z-VD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 18:29:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Gavin Smith Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 22:29:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13965 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 13965-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13965.144512089027433 (code B ref 13965); Sat, 17 Oct 2015 22:29:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 13965) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Oct 2015 22:28:10 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54655 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnZxS-00078P-8N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 18:28:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yk0-f177.google.com ([209.85.160.177]:34388) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnZxP-00078F-GU for 13965@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 18:28:08 -0400 Original-Received: by ykfy204 with SMTP id y204so114039083ykf.1 for <13965@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 15:28:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=h7A2/F/g4V03Y5/lYw8gMryQrsu9MSIYS6XGzwSGi7A=; b=yw46lkVC7qj37EOeEHhtPRlvXPGo+XdHPuMiwQLTxNQlsugIN23v/8V/MDPfg5azGP y3QiFRMuquQfx3MrfOGAiZyg6jD05P/wnv2TZ8mPeSld4be0kxUWuqf+qMeh2k8RniFs wxG9prZnhmWPfd1EHqbYgdypYA2UZ2drxz9oTkjPnLFa1rGhxf1/BATkXw/k0rJINmgY jSqoCAzQNByuS4PO0LdpsfsO8KLMmcsUu+4pS6JSmLOR9XkO8xfldKe6iW/INU4Ifg8l nyTcLc63Av45lZ/4a9s6Y3gJvab88Q+nWl4XcJHRj1AfFR7mQrlWWJ4HcRVJ+5Lnxt77 UoWw== X-Received: by 10.13.223.134 with SMTP id i128mr16392387ywe.64.1445120886740; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 15:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.37.207.132 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Oct 2015 15:28:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:107703 Archived-At: On 17 October 2015 at 22:38, Glenn Morris wrote: > Gavin Smith wrote: > >> I've removed it from Texinfo, for now. Unless it's changed back, the >> file will not be present in the next Texinfo release. > > I'm sure there are many systems where Texinfo is installed and Emacs is not. > How are people on those systems supposed to learn how to use the > stand-alone info reader? It has its own manual. It doesn't have a tutorial, though. This would have to be added. It shouldn't be hard to cover the absolute minimum needed to be able to navigate through the rest of the manual.