From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The netsec thread Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 16:51:37 +0100 Message-ID: References: <83bmb214ez.fsf@gnu.org> <8736wamklr.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1532361059 31273 195.159.176.226 (23 Jul 2018 15:50:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 15:50:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-Devel devel To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 23 17:50:55 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fhd6s-00080h-QZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2018 17:50:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35281 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fhd8z-0004mz-H5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2018 11:53:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35213) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fhd80-0004hq-GN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2018 11:52:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fhd7v-0006gb-G1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2018 11:52:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-io0-x233.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c06::233]:46873) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fhd7v-0006gH-4C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2018 11:51:59 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-io0-x233.google.com with SMTP id i18-v6so923710ioj.13 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2018 08:51:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=mnheAtutA78JphE/5c2xEtJLTZxy3YjnOUGkEQPId/s=; b=nNMGN2evArKx4hqXpSm8pFKC2SwRU14ZLOT7nkdmpIGUJISFB/0BUjQ74n8JYJcwZa +YHAcl3oCgC5OLL9Wa//S8L26XuJvnAoXnspjsxkUVtVVJBFiC6NvsxYPn7i86PGTvkp biXdyEv08UY30rrz8kT4l4pYQrG+Hc30zJk3AB9TDzDkXRTosf0vLwDlRMpIvkWn4wkb Z85+MvXUti+mS3RYkySREN0tq1VnbkK9D00DbYmoWMbmGrf/kO1lo48kyoD0+vZ1o8q5 MDczn4xoDw/I7yIWMHRKx9R8XifnIsBqhWt/UxW8zoqGFynudqUu+FRp+GpUELd5rlyD qJdg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=mnheAtutA78JphE/5c2xEtJLTZxy3YjnOUGkEQPId/s=; b=ZBKUE2pT0wwv2Ek+lfBaH0hKSqiAWi3nhZNCPZPNtG7iVDYEbD3sZor/L8/mtqd+9w kNyuuxcYhvasz74aLjORkgA9dpAWWCEHocNdXwiBDE0KtPlT261wYtkmtDKKeg+afo+k j9OyHZAc/msZEYaXRffhyvY5MoZZO/oHW6BszHhGtACspK5goWHL3VRPPrPch4fVOoBt awB6EwhhYpr/rU3/0IhgxX9gZoOGw38RtPhIxW6XOKOOvkaXPOiYs0oIy6+LecqPowWF aGvq0o0YaDpKY9k4cMioEwpVu+XRy6TR0rT1wq5KvQk0yCiX9jh+4t61ZhVtS5OR4dqa 8RiA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlFTUMgQhKNrcB6KULVakpb8BbehSL1WMvVf6Gl2KAErZ0YYSDlo jVOEsfVPQHUyXSRb1gVjEwdLgfD3Rt1cowG0kiLCRQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpftV76M86kZ1BcMuYYofF5vMx+BNaZGA1iKA2MufIBjqF5B4h7QlSlNm30oifahm1zTXkbjKPZ++p1jmolPywI= X-Received: by 2002:a5e:9812:: with SMTP id s18-v6mr10353217ioj.117.1532361118412; Mon, 23 Jul 2018 08:51:58 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 2002:a02:985d:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jul 2018 08:51:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c06::233 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:227724 Archived-At: On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 4:37 PM, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong writes: > >> I want to make sure your need is taken cared of >> properly (I'm contemplating an actual debug mode that prompts after >> every handshake) without introducing something into emacs that's so >> far only useful for one person. > > I feel I have to remind you that we're not introducing something; it's > you who insist on removing something without any period of obsoleting > the feature. > I don't know of any way of obsoleting a symbol other than docstring and maybe NEWS. Removing it and aliasing 'paranoid to 'high is the closest I can think of that doesn't break people's config. Obviously this change should be in NEWS and maybe docstring, which I will get to.