From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tom Baker Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21652: bell chars Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 13:19:45 -0400 Message-ID: References: <837dtyiqq0.fsf@gnu.org> <87d03qy2ga.fsf@igel.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2689"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 21652@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas To: Andreas Schwab Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 16 19:20:10 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k7MKI-0000bA-HF for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 19:20:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51676 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k7MKH-0001u9-2q for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=oDBNpGguVD19sLO/HNDgx7iomz/HE6OUDkgoQRQqL1g=; b=PGqsWl988qF4nMzfQHVjLhKhmg9MHusCJDNHmb1zTawrAEEvlswAfDAbUi250r4VrM AQ/Az+1+7LPftoK6sKQIYDQ3uQb21K6XZRxJkMJNtBNfN5UzHDlDCVbd/cRKAnusRuRH SdSYxHFKg4jrAHh/+/ahM1isRiaQmG8NxjGornqIk6DyJgiDOOiyUvGgKTZn6YuthZhy OqbwxpodciqF7OR2PrjB8PaGOmMdMdF5QJq2G7h0bsoDu7khbFFVLl+FQo/xzlhwE9Si W+WDZZpzUnPxVt48H6smYQXrI8klOHfUn6F2Kb68jdTntx9MmX0Voc0sK/qn7LtOYnWs rNCg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531mfCAtKda74VzXzc/zXxmLlEEapCvoVb9GgnCsW9nuarKVBmxA b+IsvUFBeIxHTZbT+fQqh+Ar07uzFUw/BUjG8Ek= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxC9q+JM8b4Noka5BXNsP5uuBM+VlNZVyCmlwJF2mXjEnFiNrge7yPO6dATR9Hrk9h0g5DF70Z8j68zWk6rY64= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:4571:: with SMTP id k17mr5741041lfm.182.1597598386566; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 10:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 2002:a19:ed0f:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 10:19:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87d03qy2ga.fsf@igel.home> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:185317 Archived-At: On 8/16/20, Andreas Schwab wrote: > On Aug 16 2020, Tom Baker wrote: > >> This is correct. Most non-emacs shells have a scrolling limit, so >> eventually command output scrolls off the top of the screen and is lost >> forever. > > That's a property of the terminal emulator, not the shell. For example, > konsole can be configured to infinite scrollback. Thank you, Andreas, for that correction. You are right, I was speaking in a "general usage", which was technically inexact. On windows, one can run the CMD.EXE "shell" within the "Command Window" that is a terminal emulator. On platforms that support the bash "shell", it usually is not hard to have it generate its own teminal emulator window. One can also just run the "shell" within another terminal emulator.