From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bastian Beischer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Option to not automatically customize-save-variable `package-selected-packages' Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 22:00:52 +0100 Message-ID: References: <56C43D17.7010009@alice.it> <831t8aufoe.fsf@gnu.org> <8737sp51vx.fsf@gmail.com> <83fuwpubpn.fsf@gnu.org> <87egc9ahav.fsf@fastmail.fm> <834md5u426.fsf@gnu.org> <87vb5l664f.fsf@fastmail.fm> <83mvqxrqql.fsf@gnu.org> <87y4ag3l7s.fsf@gmail.com> <83si0or96s.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3g8366a.fsf@gmail.com> <83fuwor0u5.fsf@gnu.org> <83a8mwqw0y.fsf@gnu.org> <87wppx4nyf.fsf@fastmail.fm> <837fhxmn4h.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3277ecc3d02052c6220ce X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1456174863 25560 80.91.229.3 (22 Feb 2016 21:01:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 21:01:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Joost Kremers , johnw@gnu.org, bruce.connor.am@gmail.com, Emacs-Devel To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 22 22:01:02 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aXxbK-0003aw-8S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 22:01:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51935 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aXxbJ-0003gg-PG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 16:01:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56095) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aXxbD-0003fJ-AJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 16:00:56 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aXxbC-0002rZ-2r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 16:00:55 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-lb0-x230.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c04::230]:34509) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aXxbB-0002rH-Lv; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 16:00:54 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-lb0-x230.google.com with SMTP id of3so89504332lbc.1; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 13:00:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=j0tR9bzd5Ka3qMRsA+7+k2cSAr5p5c3F2iOjo/7kSKI=; b=xIMMMn/hFD1k9c7VD9nh/mUjL137yD2vv9vynS4W1TBPKZMrJrcVuMBCaeIbQdTM2Y lEH/mVZ2yVbIU6c9euepKBxVho0z91IP/SEpCPbEEPEKkRgu7uG9SEBA5pCaPRjxZe76 bEtZT+5UmHH4BX4l+dsEdqAous6l/pQygwkr8ST0xWCH1MKUc3AOej/HmHSbEvmLYsSc ic4TTJCidN5fAttegT/HlS+VoENQBm9+Bwfk0K13OidhUCAbHA5vkF2cs6gKB69Eg+5k 4gDdr6mRk0D4paPnqlIaqLXXQldLXp7+c8UHX4fsKz0GQlLSvz+JBGbHxLgk7lTyXR3U DiNQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=j0tR9bzd5Ka3qMRsA+7+k2cSAr5p5c3F2iOjo/7kSKI=; b=A6Eh6NjvGLsCLocm4JWBzvrLIeW9+4tiidljdmYqY7Vnv89WRg0l+/TpH9qUu7YefR Fe24U0SHU9cGbCcqYEghFmbGvLs74s/FRiKwg2E0hoI1fVo5jnFstbPePdaODwPGfYl8 j31u6j4iYi8sXqF58Fzvk5UULftG6MgFBJOLnkjWbu8n34mJOtkWZiKvgzrFR0WY/77m OJH1Tlw+gbTgBoUdTZI1VCkh/cUm+uYiuSOSnYHFWkxNDquVlcjVaBn3fB+LiGdmSr23 U+ZoUKGR7ZBY/MvS0yj4tJR6yXKJuLuNfKH3NGlRoOCoJgcRFvm0y/HmESKoK0fgCgQp KXLQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOTlZhf0KXCSjfN1ZVh6QXGc4S0mR0jqJoJeJj1BFfhdLgNxZKBC5G9vjxu8a28+yKKZRsjFIU6FrwGILg== X-Received: by 10.112.172.233 with SMTP id bf9mr10907514lbc.121.1456174852224; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 13:00:52 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.25.205.81 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 13:00:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <837fhxmn4h.fsf@gnu.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: p3UdDqV_crxHiSOpPcopJelEpJg X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c04::230 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:200499 Archived-At: --001a11c3277ecc3d02052c6220ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Dear all, I'm not an emacs developer, but one thing which wasn't brought up in this discussion so far is the following: The entry in custom-set-variables changes continuously even if no new packages are installed, mainly whenever you update the packages: That will perform an uninstall of the old package and re-install of the same package with the new version. I don't change the list of installed packages often, but I do update my packages frequently and every time my .emacs changes. I find this annoying since I keep the .emacs file under version control. On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 4:37 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Joost Kremers > > Cc: Kaushal Modi , johnw@gnu.org, > bruce.connor.am@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 00:56:40 +0100 > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 19 2016, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > Again, not very different from any other customization that differs > > > between machines. Users should be able to replace Custom forms with > > > plain Lisp code, and then they could resolve the issues with sharing > > > the settings across different machines and with Git easier. > > > > > > I already said all of that several times, so I will now shut up, > > > unconvinced. > > > > Unconvinced of what, if I may ask? > > Of the need to have a separate file for this. > > -- Bastian Beischer RWTH Aachen University of Technology @RWTH Aachen Office: 28 C 203 Phone: +49-241-80-27205 E-mail: beischer@physik.rwth-aachen.de Address: I. Physikalisches Institut B, Sommerfeldstr. 14, D-52074 Aachen @CERN Office: Bdg 32-4-B12 Phone: +41-22-76-75750 E-mail: bastian.beischer@cern.ch Address: CERN, CH-1211 Geneve 23 --001a11c3277ecc3d02052c6220ce Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all,

I'm not an emacs dev= eloper, but one thing which wasn't brought up in this discussion so far= is the following:

The entry in custom-set-variables c= hanges continuously even if no new packages are installed, mainly whenever = you update the packages: That will perform an uninstall of the old package = and re-install of the same package with the new version. I don't change= the list of installed packages often, but I do update my packages frequent= ly and every time my .emacs changes. I find this annoying since I keep the = .emacs file under version control.
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 4:37 AM, Eli Zaretskii= <el= iz@gnu.org> wrote:
> Fro= m: Joost Kremers <joostkreme= rs@fastmail.fm>
> Cc: Kaushal Modi <kaushal= .modi@gmail.com>, johnw@gnu.org= , bruce.connor.am@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 00:56:40 +0100
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 19 2016, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> > Again, not very different from any other customization that diffe= rs
> > between machines.=C2=A0 Users should be able to replace Custom fo= rms with
> > plain Lisp code, and then they could resolve the issues with shar= ing
> > the settings across different machines and with Git easier.
> >
> > I already said all of that several times, so I will now shut up,<= br> > > unconvinced.
>
> Unconvinced of what, if I may ask?

Of the need to have a separate file for this.




--
Bastian Beischer
RWTH Aachen University of Technolo= gy

@RWTH Aachen
Office: 28 C 203
Phone: +49-241-80-27205
E-= mail: b= eischer@physik.rwth-aachen.de
Address: I. Physikalisches Institut B,= Sommerfeldstr. 14, D-52074 Aachen

@CERN
Office: Bdg 32-4-B12
= Phone: +41-22-76-75750
E-mail: bastian.beischer@cern.ch
Address: CERN, CH-1211= Geneve 23
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