From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: PJ Weisberg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: `isearch-allow-scroll' - a misnomer and a bad design Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 15:23:46 -0700 Message-ID: References: <2F1337889F394491BA778ACA46799812@us.oracle.com> <874o07m3ay.fsf@maru.md5i.com> <87r539c0qx.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20110922103506.GA3134@acm.acm> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1316730251 14580 80.91.229.12 (22 Sep 2011 22:24:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 22:24:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: md5i@md5i.com, dan.colascione@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, dmoncayo@gmail.com, Alan Mackenzie , stephen@xemacs.org, yandros@mit.edu, drew.adams@oracle.com To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 23 00:24:05 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R6rgW-0006Be-0i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2011 00:24:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40559 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R6rgV-0006in-BQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 18:23:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:59427) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R6rgT-0006iZ-B5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 18:23:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R6rgN-0007hB-Mp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 18:23:57 -0400 Original-Received: from smtpauth16.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.22]:41943) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R6rgN-0007gT-Bd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 18:23:51 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 831 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2011 22:16:32 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (209.85.161.41) by smtpauth16.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.22) with ESMTP; 22 Sep 2011 22:16:31 -0000 Original-Received: by fxh17 with SMTP id 17so3672477fxh.0 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 15:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.223.49.213 with SMTP id w21mr3865079faf.44.1316730226107; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 15:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.223.86.75 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Sep 2011 15:23:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-Received-From: 64.202.165.22 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144208 Archived-At: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > =A0 =A0> The idea that being in a search is a state that commands "should= n't > =A0 =A0> disturb" is the result of thinking of it as a mode. =A0It is nor= mal > =A0 =A0> for editing commands to stop searching and edit instead. > > =A0 =A0Is scrolling "editing" here? =A0I would have said no, since it doe= sn't > =A0 =A0change the buffer and doesn't move point. > > You're making a distinction I didn't intend, so we are talking past > each other. > > When I said "editing commands" I meant "anything other than inserting > text." The rule is that they exit Isearch. =A0There have always been > exceptions, but they were few. > > The more exceptions there are, the harder it is to remember how to use > Isearch. Are you arguing that isearch non-exiting commands shouldn't exist, or that they shouldn't be able to take a prefix argument? The former makes more sense, but having C-u exit isearch only accomplishes the latter. -PJ