From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Yates Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Licence of ts-comint Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 13:33:26 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1502621936.3273210.1071832168.58C017A8@webmail.messagingengine.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045f280a36631e05575afe92" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1503423294 4396 195.159.176.226 (22 Aug 2017 17:34:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 17:34:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: John Wiegley , Jean-Christophe Helary , jostein@kjonigsen.net, Emacs developers To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 22 19:34:45 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dkD4X-0000K6-E0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 19:34:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39531 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dkD4e-00088K-8o for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 13:34:44 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44717) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dkD3T-0007SB-Ll for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 13:33:32 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dkD3S-0005ns-Uh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 13:33:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ua0-x22b.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400c:c08::22b]:33982) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dkD3R-0005mi-NZ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 13:33:29 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ua0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id d12so16983694uag.1; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 10:33:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=TI88Mc4AsW2ZaNzN2ILg2rYy/x6RjjzWb/+cau3tJq8=; b=tjuCmmg3ZIKFcGVUojdmtka62pwH+La96ZuekcjewBzr6IAVcVg3+3SX7ADpoBV+tM AFLZyW7v7UBjlWWubioyB+BINfgTalNSdu6Ceajc96E7iUtXdWONnjbdlHlUIXcQHVAe 3W+ihWbOkvYPMjR4a331l0Pepw5v/4A/nSaMtB5V1gWS5PP6lBmxzaZo1uIIvoFWwlOL 3hbpMOwDlhc9zkGmVjhO86ohcuUQdSVRoJkHbmvv0k34d6LWa773O8tQrqKYGbJm5jja gmQC9YgGGR1ZOdwQy3tk5JARKVP9XwcuQKVtuDoZhTn1viHQXtj3ykAWCgKspLT6nvwl ILpQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=TI88Mc4AsW2ZaNzN2ILg2rYy/x6RjjzWb/+cau3tJq8=; b=OMKYdv1MK63FqsTpxEgf9/dmhmG0PYQBoy6TVNsDfo2OMZjpcVheZ5ZGp1P3eszz5m kxcg281lfUor9Vc3JykF5nitq644hYxBWkODYMyeQkavUH9JymZOy2f+AsNCj4a3rx8Y vwYPuB0ojQKIPkmKLS17/4UBtZOIY3X73XAijvyspeLEbzzPFTaHHDjTU+vnB1GzsDo9 z91K9Jis34BTPydHshwYY6RjDvzhqx4Y4dqZvVf8LElEyIYPn3stIw7spFNN5iPc5S7M LpazqCykJ+blLvlVvnsOkJ3BAYy9VMLBKw2oPCtIpjQoBLM9ldtDNo4UKMLUSuTH9VUs X6UQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5iLIszreYNy5MsQHsEi4vYobZxclwyN7jZm0ESlHuk2ZBiDfjhI 9wRbHF7JynFfUjlaVKXg2Me32u9IIho4 X-Received: by 10.176.26.155 with SMTP id j27mr816242uai.45.1503423207201; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 10:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.31.158.202 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 10:33:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Google-Sender-Auth: dQvNbqH4KCZancphJw6veBc82Cw X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400c:c08::22b X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:217694 Archived-At: --f403045f280a36631e05575afe92 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: >> =E2=80=8B =E2=80=8B =E2=80=8B. . . they could write their own backends >> from scratch which would mean users losing out on all the research that'= s >> gone into LLVM, any chance of compatibility with standard tools, etc. > > These are side issues when our freedom is at stake. Wow! 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On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:
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>
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